What will stop sinning in heaven? Adam and Eve were with God and they still sinned in the garden. If we are with God in heaven what will stop us from doing it all over again? How exactly can he guarantee eternal life to Christians as he does in the Bible while knowing sin is just as big a possibility in heaven as it is on earth?
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What will stop sinning in Heaven?
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Rebecca Sue
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I believe we sin because we have free will and we also live in a fallen world (plus we are sinners of course). In heaven we will be made complete in God and Heaven will be ruled by God( in person). Just my thoughts.
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There could not be sin, for no sin shall enter into where God is (Hab. 1:13). He is a "consuming fire" and sin will be vanguished in His presence. That is why God would not let Israelites approach to the mountain where God came down, lest they die, He said. Saints of God are made "a new creation" in Christ, so they are able to stand before God.
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You're answer is here. We will have the image of the Lord Himself, the last Adam, being incorruptible and unable to sin.
So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
1 Cor 15:42-49
1 Cor 15:42-49
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An apple tree is not an apple tree because it produces apples. It produces apples because it is an apple tree. It is not the nature of apple trees to produce fruit other than apples.
In like manner, we aren't sinners because we sin. But we sin because we are sinners. It is not the nature of sinners to do righteousness and forsake sin.
Our natures will be changed. That is the whole point behind Christ's Resurrection. His death bought forgiveness. But, forgiveness, if alone, is not sufficient for admittance into Christ's Kingdom. A new nature is required. His Resurrection gave us that in promise.
Once the promise is fully realized, we will be incapable of sin because we will cease to BE sinners, and we will be like Him.
While some might then ask, "Does that negate our free will?", the answer is, "No, it doesn't." God has all power. Nothing is outside of His capability. Except sin. God cannot sin, because He is Holy. And so shall we be.
In like manner, we aren't sinners because we sin. But we sin because we are sinners. It is not the nature of sinners to do righteousness and forsake sin.
Our natures will be changed. That is the whole point behind Christ's Resurrection. His death bought forgiveness. But, forgiveness, if alone, is not sufficient for admittance into Christ's Kingdom. A new nature is required. His Resurrection gave us that in promise.
Once the promise is fully realized, we will be incapable of sin because we will cease to BE sinners, and we will be like Him.
While some might then ask, "Does that negate our free will?", the answer is, "No, it doesn't." God has all power. Nothing is outside of His capability. Except sin. God cannot sin, because He is Holy. And so shall we be.
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There have been some interesting posts already -- I hope it continues.
My theory is that in fact free will will be turned off. (No I have no Scripture to support this.) I'm just thinking that when the angels were first created, they were holy. They had free will and some used it to turn against God. Once they made that decision God froze that decision so that a holy angel could not rebel, and a fallen angel could not be redeemed.
So I extend that thought to humans. We have free will and before death we can use it to accept Christ or reject Him. Once we die, though, that decision is frozen so that a person in hell can't be redeemed and a person in heaven can't be lost.
My theory, fwiw.
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)But Adam/Eve were with God and they still sinned. Satan was with God and he was still susceptible to sin. What exactly in this "new creation" changes?
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But Adam/Eve had that same nature before they sinned. How will having it over again change anything?
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Read the scriptures I quoted for you. The answer is in there. We currently have the nature of the first Adam, but will have the nature of the second, who is Jesus. It's not about being made in His image twice.
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I'm curious why you are concerned about a second fall when you haven't yet been forgiven from your sin you've committed as a result from the first fall.
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So what nature did Adam have before he sinned? How does this nature differ from the one you are referring to?
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Like I said: sin has purpose on earth so we all sin, but in heaven there is no purpose for sinning.
In heaven we will have already experienced sin (it is not an unknown) and the pain sin creates and we will have already experience satan and can recognize him.
Satan is not in heaven to tempt us and we have knowledge of what satan did and the outcome so there is no need for us to repeat what he did to see what would happen.
Our sexual bodies on earth have wonderful requirements and purpose, but they also generate natural competition and differences that can be coveted. In heaven we are like the angels and might be able to take on any form, but not sexual.
On earth Christians do have an indwelling invisible spiritual, Holy Spirit, and yes, with Him and Godly type Love, we can keep from sinning. The problem is we can virtually unknowingly quench the Holy Spirit and go on our own, resulting in sinning again. In Heaven there will be no reason for the Holy Spirit to remain hidden, so we are not going to quench Him unknowingly.
In heaven there is the Been there done that, do not want to do it again, But there is also a ton of stuff you have not done, but can now do and the Spirit of God is with you, to do it together.
Adam and Eve were tempted by the desire for knowledge; in their casethe knowledge of Good and Evil, we have that knowledge and God is providing all the other knowledge we might desire, so there is really nothing to desire that is not given us.
Earth is a place where: we can see people sinning, some of those people experience the pleasures of sin for a season, some people, we do not witness the bad that happens from their sinning, and we might even experience that in ourselves. That is not the case in heaven.
Could Adam and Eve kept from sinning if satan had not been around, the tree only provided a way to spit further, the fruit on the tree was ugly and smelled bad, the tree was far away with a deep pit around it, the Spirit of God was visibly constantly with them, they had Godly type Love and free will?
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Fair question and a good conversation.
Two quick thoughts, before my wife becomes too angry with me for being on the internet all day:
First, your scenario assumes that in heaven we will experience time in the same linear way in which we do now - we enter into heaven and then, should we still have free will, we may or may not choose sin. But, as far as I know there is no guarantee of that. I find this verse interesting:
Not every translation uses the term "order of things" in fact most translate this as "first things" or "former things", but every translation seems to say something about time occurring linearly. i.e. that something could happen before something else. I just found that to be a very interesting thought; that is that things might not occur in the same linear "order" as which we may be accustomed on earth. The truth is that none of us can really know the exact specifics of heaven until we get there, but it could be that we will not be bound linerally to time and instead experience time as God does.
The second point I wanted to make is that an inability to sin does not necessarily violate free will. Like how in the absence of a magnetic field, metal filings may orient ourselves in any direction they like, but in the presence of a powerful electromagnet their orientation becomes fixed, constant, immovable. Unless acted upon by an outside force their attraction to the magnet is inescapable. In this world that outside force is evil, another magnet attracting us in another direction. The way we choose to orient ourselves in this world determines to which magnet we become more attracted, but evil has no foothold in heaven. There is no outside force. God made certain of then by casting Lucifer and those angels who would follow him out of heaven.
It's hard to compare the choice of the fallen angels to the free will of men. Angels do not have a nature corrupted by sin as we do. They also do not live in a world where in it is necessary to rely on faith and things hoped for in order to come to God. They were with God when they made their choice, in full knowledge of his nature and the consequence if their choice. Obviously they had the choice to follow Lucifer or not to but I think many bible scholars describe this as kind of a one time or temporary free will. Once they made their choice, their eternal natures set.
Two quick thoughts, before my wife becomes too angry with me for being on the internet all day:
First, your scenario assumes that in heaven we will experience time in the same linear way in which we do now - we enter into heaven and then, should we still have free will, we may or may not choose sin. But, as far as I know there is no guarantee of that. I find this verse interesting:
Revelation 21 (NIV) said:
Not every translation uses the term "order of things" in fact most translate this as "first things" or "former things", but every translation seems to say something about time occurring linearly. i.e. that something could happen before something else. I just found that to be a very interesting thought; that is that things might not occur in the same linear "order" as which we may be accustomed on earth. The truth is that none of us can really know the exact specifics of heaven until we get there, but it could be that we will not be bound linerally to time and instead experience time as God does.
The second point I wanted to make is that an inability to sin does not necessarily violate free will. Like how in the absence of a magnetic field, metal filings may orient ourselves in any direction they like, but in the presence of a powerful electromagnet their orientation becomes fixed, constant, immovable. Unless acted upon by an outside force their attraction to the magnet is inescapable. In this world that outside force is evil, another magnet attracting us in another direction. The way we choose to orient ourselves in this world determines to which magnet we become more attracted, but evil has no foothold in heaven. There is no outside force. God made certain of then by casting Lucifer and those angels who would follow him out of heaven.
Revaluation 21 (ESV) said:
It's hard to compare the choice of the fallen angels to the free will of men. Angels do not have a nature corrupted by sin as we do. They also do not live in a world where in it is necessary to rely on faith and things hoped for in order to come to God. They were with God when they made their choice, in full knowledge of his nature and the consequence if their choice. Obviously they had the choice to follow Lucifer or not to but I think many bible scholars describe this as kind of a one time or temporary free will. Once they made their choice, their eternal natures set.
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Why couldn't we have this magical inability, immunity, whatever you want to call it in the beginning of creation? If it doesn't violate free will as you say it does then why wouldn't God want us to have it already in us? Wouldn't this have been a big advantage to have?
But evil had to have had a foothold initially right? What was the driving force for Satan and other angels to disobey a loving Creator who satisfied them completely? If angels were susceptible to evil in Heaven why won't you be just as susceptible as they were? There isn't really a clear-cut response from you on this.
And why is this exactly? One man sins and the rest of humanity has to pay the price for it. Angels sin and it only affects themselves not other angels. Why should I have to forfeit my initial relationship with God because of something someone else did?
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