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An honest person wouldn't think that at all.As a hypothetical, there could be 10,000 completely peaceful, scattered protests and ONE protest that results in hundreds of people killed. Mathematically (from raw percentages), it would be accurate to say that the "protests" were "mostly peaceful". But an honest assessment would show that the "protests" were in fact quite deadly when objectively analyzed.
I certainly did not say that every person who protests is some kind of "leftist zombie."There was a time, back in the Viet Nam war days, when lots of protests were going on. Despite the protests, the war dragged on but I knew the a war was over when my staid, conventional elderly aunt and uncle got on a bus with other seniors and travelled from Vallejo down to 'San Francisco to take part in a protest. Is that the kind of thing you are afraid of? That some of the people who are protesting might not be the leftist zombies of your stereotype?
Technically speaking, those people are here illegally. We can certainly debate--and should debate--how that fact should be handled.I'm sorry, but if one person has the right to come into someone's place of work... who's been peacefully contributing to society for years... and rip them away from friends and family by deporting them to a place that they've never been, then by golly that person has the right to block a highway and inconvenience others in the process.
As a human being, I have the exact same rights that you have, and if your rights include inconveniencing me then my rights include inconveniencing you.
Yeah, that's how lynchings used to happen.The other aspect that often gets downplayed, is the fact that the "peaceful" (as in, not the ones physically doing anything illegal) ones are often complicit in getting the "loose cannons" whipped up into a frenzy.
So for instance, one person with a megaphone shouting "police are corrupt, and we're not going to take it anymore, it's time for action!" in a hostile tone (while a couple hundred people applaud), is the only greenlight the irrational guy with brick in his backpack needs to throw it at a cop car.
It also doesn't help that the "peaceful" protestors are often cheering it on when the "violent few" are acting out.
That seems to be the pattern I've noticed in a lot of these videos, it'll only be 1 or 2 people lighting the cop car on fire are smashing it, but there's certainly no shortage of people, not engaging in the act itself -- but enthusiastically cheering it on.
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So for instance, in this one, there were only 2 or 3 people actually whipping the Molotovs and bricks off the bridge, but the hundreds of others lining the bridge were cheering while it was happening.
And while there's obviously no law against cheering for a squad car fire, I think we can all agree that does create a bad incentive structure.
Well, Tank Man didn't change anything, either.In general, I don't think it's an effective form of protest if by effective we mean changing the position of others on an issue. It think it can lead to resentment and violence. But it does depend on context. Stopping a tank with one's body and stopping traffic with a group of bodies might seem to be similar forms of protest but context changes a lot. There's something about Tank Man during the Tiananmen Protests that doesn't quite ring the same with folks stopping the evening commute.
Because one is, in fact, breaking the law.The same goes for the person working at Home Depot... they're just trying to mind their own business. Why is it fair for one to be inconvenienced, but not the other?
That's because the participation of "aunt and uncle" is the red flag that voters are paying attention.Maybe this is just my impression, but I think the later stages of the Viet Nam War protests show how peaceful protests become effective, i.e., huge numbers. Once aunt and uncle get involved, once much of the populace is on the same page, changes start happening.
But that happens so often on both sides in so many ways.You shouldn't use outliers to define a trend. THAT is not honest
An honest person wouldn't think that at all.
A rational person would think there that was an abberation.
See this here:
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That circle is called an "outliers".
You shouldn't use outliers to define a trend. THAT is not honest
The example you provided was a GREAT example of an outlier.The Pareto Principle is not about "outliers". It's about identifying the significant few factors that provide the largest impact. In this context, the significant few people setting things ablaze are not "outliers". They are the ones making the largest impact in the protest, as the Pareto Principle demonstrates.
From the outside you can do two things with protests:The Pareto Principle is not about "outliers". It's about identifying the significant few factors that provide the largest impact. In this context, the significant few people setting things ablaze are not "outliers". They are the ones making the largest impact in the protest, as the Pareto Principle demonstrates.
Technically speaking, rescinding ther legality and then arresting them for being criminals is closer to being a threat to you and me than you realize.Technically speaking, those people are here illegally. We can certainly debate--and should debate--how that fact should be handled.
But we should not debate that fact.
That fact means there is a difference between them and you or I while we are not in violation of the law but they are.
Technically speaking, rescinding ther legality and then arresting them for being criminals is closer to being a threat to you and me than you realize.
'I Don't Want To Hear' It!: AOC Calls Out Utter 'Audacity' Of GOP's Immigration TalkTechnically speaking, those people are here illegally. We can certainly debate--and should debate--how that fact should be handled.
But we should not debate that fact.
That fact means there is a difference between them and you or I while we are not in violation of the law but they are.
″[They’re] making people undocumented by removing legal status, ending legal status, and then having the audacity to call them ‘illegal’ when they were here documented,” Ocasio-Cortez added.
You might not have to wait that long. BTW, how do you defend this?I'm sure the pendulum will eventually swing the other way just like it did in going from the 1970s, and then to the 1980s, and then to the 1990s.
Woosh, wooosh. Wooosh, wooosh. And then we'll feel the pinch of the Democrats once they get the vote once again.
In general, I don't think it's an effective form of protest if by effective we mean changing the position of others on an issue. It think it can lead to resentment and violence. But it does depend on context. Stopping a tank with one's body and stopping traffic with a group of bodies might seem to be similar forms of protest but context changes a lot. There's something about Tank Man during the Tiananmen Protests that doesn't quite ring the same with folks stopping the evening commute.
You might not have to wait that long. BTW, how do you defend this?
ICE agents ram car to take man into custody in Boyle Heights
A man was arrested in Boyle Heights Wednesday morning after ICE agents rammed into his car and pinned it between two unmarked cars.abc7.com
You might not have to wait that long. BTW, how do you defend this?
ICE agents ram car to take man into custody in Boyle Heights
A man was arrested in Boyle Heights Wednesday morning after ICE agents rammed into his car and pinned it between two unmarked cars.abc7.com
From the outside you can do two things with protests:
1. make an honest attempt at understanding the impetus behind them.
2. highlight whatever episodes make your political opponents look bad.
As an observer, the significance of protest really depends on ones motivations.
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