What some Christians "Feel" vs what the Bible "says"

[BobRyan]

The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important

"The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important"
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That link also says -

" The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. "

"Most Christians believe that four of the commandments are not "important principles to live by" according to a YouGov poll"

Such an "instructive contrast" between what some "Christians FEEL" vs what the Bible actual SAYS. More and more these days "feelings are the new Bible"... does not work out so well according to Christ in Matthew 7

Christ divides the moral law into 2 main sections in Matthew 22
1. "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
2. "love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

He says the most important of all - is the first.

Interesting that the first four - the ones listed above - are ones some Christians "feel" like ignoring.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Is it required for salvation Bob?

 

[JCFantasy23]

The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. "

If this is actually so, those are four scary ones to minimize.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important

"The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important"
===================================================

That link also says -

" The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. "



Such an "instructive contrast" between what some "Christians FEEL" vs what the Bible actual SAYS. More and more these days "feelings are the new Bible"... does not work out so well according to Christ in Matthew 7

Christ divides the moral law into 2 main sections in Matthew 22
1. "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
2. "love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

He says the most important of all - is the first.

Interesting that the first four - the ones listed above - are ones some Christians "feel" like ignoring.

Wait a minute, insinuating other christians are worshipping another god is an inflammatory statement. I recall another commandment about not slandering people.

 

[Almost there]

The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important

"The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important"
===================================================

That link also says -

" The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. "



Such an "instructive contrast" between what some "Christians FEEL" vs what the Bible actual SAYS. More and more these days "feelings are the new Bible"... does not work out so well according to Christ in Matthew 7

Christ divides the moral law into 2 main sections in Matthew 22
1. "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
2. "love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

He says the most important of all - is the first.

Interesting that the first four - the ones listed above - are ones some Christians "feel" like ignoring.

For starters, we are not a part of the Jewish theocracy of the old testament. We are under a new covenant and the first was fulfilled in Christ. And to be clear, those ten commandments were only part of the story. Sort of a "high level" view of the commandments of God that were further detailed in other parts of the bible and Torah.

And to add a new testament twist, it says to not commit murder, yet Christ said that if you hate your brother you have committed murder in your heart. And it says to not commit adultery, but if you have looked at a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery.

But regarding the four:
1. Do not worship Idols. What Christians are now saying it is OK to worship idols? The problem may be that the "idol" thing has been broadened via the teachings of Jesus just like murder and adultery.
2. Use the Lord's name in vain. That is an interesting one because I don't think it means what a lot of people think it means. For me it is using the Lord's name to improve your condition. e.g. putting the little fish emblem on your business card or the back of your car to say, "Use my business because I'm a trustworthy Christian." or "Don't give me a ticket because I'm a Christian." I still take this commandment seriously as the others.
4. The sabbath: Sabbath means rest and it was created for man, not man for it. The bible also says that Jesus is the Christian's rest - Sabbath.

So I consider those four commandments to be just as valid as all of the others.

Edit. I forgot number three. Frankly, I don't know what the author of the list is talking about there.

 

[Dave-W]

Is it required for salvation Bob?

OY!!! Why do you make everything about salvation?

The 10 are about how you live AFTER you are saved. (as is 90% of the rest of scripture)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

OY!!! Why do you make everything about salvation?

The 10 are about how you live AFTER you are saved. (as is 90% of the rest of scripture)

It's important to confirm, as people will accuse him of it later if not cleared up now.

 

[Dave-W]

And to add a new testament twist,

In the NT there are 4 commands INCUMBENT on all Gentile believers:

Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they [1] abstain from things contaminated by idols and [2] from fornication and [3] from what is strangled and [4] from blood.​

Number 1 covers part of the "ignored" right there.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In the NT there are 4 commands INCUMBENT on all Gentile believers:

Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they [1] abstain from things contaminated by idols and [2] from fornication and [3] from what is strangled and [4] from blood.​

Number 1 covers part of the "ignored" right there.

If you are going to accuse of idolatry, explain what you mean.

 

[Almost there]

In the NT there are 4 commands INCUMBENT on all Gentile believers:

Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they [1] abstain from things contaminated by idols and [2] from fornication and [3] from what is strangled and [4] from blood.​

Number 1 covers part of the "ignored" right there.

Yes. I don't believe Christians knowingly ignore that one. And I don't believe I've heard a Christian teacher teach anyone to.

 

[Dave-W]

If you are going to accuse of idolatry, explain what you mean.

From the OP:

That link also says -
" The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. "

So 2 of the four right there.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

From the OP:

So 2 of the four right there.

So there's an insinuation that violates the flaming rules of the site and no explanation. If there's no explanation, then there's zero chance of edification.

 

[Albion]

We've read this thread before. Did it not 'hold water' the first time around, so that's why we're seeing it re-introduced??

 

[listed]

The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important

"The Six Commandments? Christians feel four of the ten are no longer important"
===================================================

That link also says -

" The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. "



Such an "instructive contrast" between what some "Christians FEEL" vs what the Bible actual SAYS. More and more these days "feelings are the new Bible"... does not work out so well according to Christ in Matthew 7

Christ divides the moral law into 2 main sections in Matthew 22
1. "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
2. "love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

He says the most important of all - is the first.

Interesting that the first four - the ones listed above - are ones some Christians "feel" like ignoring.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[Ken Rank]

Is it required for salvation Bob?

Doesn't matter is God expects the saved to obey Him.

You know... the idea of "commandment" when it comes to the 10 is a bad translation and any Hebrew scholar would admit this. They are really statements of fact, "You will not steal" not a command but rather a statement of expectation by God of His people. This is why the Jews call them, "the 10 Words" rather than the 10 commandments. When we become a child of God our behavior should change and be in line with God character and will. Thus, we should still be doing these things because if God does not change then this things which stand in contrast to or in harmony with... His character... don't change either.

 

[listed]

OY!!! Why do you make everything about salvation?

The 10 are about how you live AFTER you are saved. (as is 90% of the rest of scripture)

Where do you get this?

 

[Ken Rank]

In the NT there are 4 commands INCUMBENT on all Gentile believers:

Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they [1] abstain from things contaminated by idols and [2] from fornication and [3] from what is strangled and [4] from blood.​

Number 1 covers part of the "ignored" right there.

I can't disagree more Dave. Are you saying the non-Jews just do these 4 but serving only God and honoring our parents (for example) is not incumbent on us? Acts 15 was a starting point which is why the next verse says, "for Moses (Torah) is taught in the synagogues every Shabbat." The idea is... start here and then go learn the rest.

You might also go to the Talmud and read up on what Hillel and Shamai argument was required for a new proselyte. Hillel gave >>4<< things that he said was enough to begin the journey. Shammai accepted those 4 but also said one must be circumcised immediately (Hillel said after a time) and also one needed to know all 613 commandments. Shammai's position was accepted and that was Halacha at that time. Acts 15 starts with Jews (Shammai adherents) claiming these new Christians needed to be circumcise unto salvation... to be accepted into the fold. Paul (not Hillel) taught against the idea of circumcision... just not unto salvation, that one shouldn't be expected to know all Torah and go through all processes on day one. The Acts 15 letter simply reversed a 50 year old bad decision.

 

[Untouchable562]

That is funny Michael. But I can see where you are going with that.

The link says "Less than one in three Christians believe in preserving Sunday as a day of rest..." well that is the first problem...Isn't the sabbath on Saturday(for Jews)? But Romans 14:4-6 says "4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord."

The link also says "
He also lamented Christians' abandonment of the commandment about idolatry, saying: "Whether it is celebrity, wealth, a certain designer label pair of jeans jeans or a make of car, we have all construct a sense of worth in the desire to own and possess certain things that we believe will give value.

"None of it works; or perhaps more accurately we should say it works just enough to get you hooked. Without being warned of the dangers of idolatry, we just become a society of junkies."' A statement I agree with. People are not aware how some of these things can be idols, which is why I think the OP said they choose to ignore it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Doesn't matter is God expects the saved to obey Him.

You know... the idea of "commandment" when it comes to the 10 is a bad translation and any Hebrew scholar would admit this. They are really statements of fact, "You will not steal" not a command but rather a statement of expectation by God of His people. This is why the Jews call them, "the 10 Words" rather than the 10 commandments. When we become a child of God our behavior should change and be in line with God character and will. Thus, we should still be doing these things because if God does not change then this things which stand in contrast to or in harmony with... His character... don't change either.

Well, it is the birthday of the reformation, so confirming if he's preaching works based salvation is kind of relevant.
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The basis of the old testament is to clean the outside, but that was never effective. Jesus taught to instead clean the inside of the cup, as this is the only way to get the job done.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That is funny Michael. But I can see where you are going with that.

The link says "Less than one in three Christians believe in preserving Sunday as a day of rest..." well that is the first problem...Isn't the sabbath on Saturday(for Jews)? But Romans 14:4-6 says "4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord."

The link also says "
He also lamented Christians' abandonment of the commandment about idolatry, saying: "Whether it is celebrity, wealth, a certain designer label pair of jeans jeans or a make of car, we have all construct a sense of worth in the desire to own and possess certain things that we believe will give value.

"None of it works; or perhaps more accurately we should say it works just enough to get you hooked. Without being warned of the dangers of idolatry, we just become a society of junkies."' A statement I agree with. People are not aware how some of these things can be idols, which is why I think the OP said they choose to ignore it.

Even bib-dolatry, when the written teachings take the place of the Holy Spirit as teaching or the Place of Jesus as Savior. How many people act like they fear for their salvation if the scripture has zero authority? There's lots of idolatry in this age as others. However, I was kind of interested in what the OP meant by it.