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Whatever site you are using to prove your claims is being blocked by the profanity filter.
Oh. That makes no sense because I'm not using profanity and I do not curse of course. The name of the site is b.i.t.c.h.u.t.e.
 
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Oh. That makes no sense because I'm not using profanity and I do not curse of course. The name of the site is b.i.t.c.h.u.t.e.
The filter can be overly sensitive some times. Because the address is one word it sees bit combined with the first two letters fo chute and think it's a dirty word.

Regardless, even without seeing the video I'm skeptical because there was literally a front page story about the fires in WaPo today, complete with pictures.
 
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Walls are being built around Lahaina, the press is kept out, and drones are not allowed. This is what they do not want people to see. Does this picture make any sense to you? Now tell us how we are not at war...

Who owns the house with the red roof?

Owned by a woman who is the "Strategic Campaign Director for the SEIU (government employees union nationwide) in California.

 
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There's no secret cabal of villains.

-CryptoLutheran
I think that's the dividing premise.

No, there's no "secret cabal." Those who think there is a "secret cabal" are explicitly conspiracy theorists.

But that doesn't mean there aren't very powerful people and corporations (which are legal "person" in the US) who are independently operating in their own interests, those interests happen to coincide, and those interests result overall in an increasingly poorer standard of living for most people.
 
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Walls are being built around Lahaina, the press is kept out, and drones are not allowed. This is what they do not want people to see. Does this picture make any sense to you? Now tell us how we are not at war...

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That does not indicate anything nefarious. There are other pictures of Lahaina showing buildings here and there seemingly untouched by the fires, such as this one that shows several such buildings.

https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox.../764/432/GettyImages-1590312694.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

And also this one:

https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox...932/524/Wildfires-damage-Hawaii.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
 
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Depends on construction. Hawaiian construction tends to be extremely light by Mainland standards because of the mild climate and old because of high building costs.

I've lived eight years in Hawaii, and I've visited Laihaina. I wouldn't give a typical Lahaina structure 60 seconds in the face of a lighted match. When I lived in Waipahu on Oahu, I wouldn't have given that house 60 second under a match. There were many military structures officially rated not to last more than a minute in a fire, and those were built better than many people's homes.
 
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So are you blaming climate change or developers?
 
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Walls are being built around Lahaina, the press is kept out, and drones are not allowed. This is what they do not want people to see. Does this picture make any sense to you? Now tell us how we are not at war...

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If press and drones are not being allowed, where did this picture come from?
 
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If the walls, the prevention of access, blocking of the press, threatening drone users with criminal charges, and denyng property owners access to their property is not a cover up -and nefarious- then what is? All of these measures are used to keep people from knowing the truth and for the press to record it. This is another operation like 911 and Covaids.
 
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Before the orders came into effect obviously.
They are trying to hide something, but at the same time they are fine with the things they are trying ot hide being shown if the pictures were taken before a certain time?
 
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All those city officials are in cahoots with those who burned down their city?
 
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All those city officials are in cahoots with those who burned down their city?
Conspiracy theorists should be forced to manage a project with lots of people for a short while. That'll give them a sense of how adorable their claims of efficiency and secrecy are. (stolen shamelessly from Twitter)
 
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Conspiracy theorists should be forced to manage a project with lots of people for a short while. That'll give them a sense of how adorable their claims of efficiency and secrecy are. (stolen shamelessly from Twitter)
Kind of like those "vast conspiracies" that involve thousands of government workers across dozens of government agencies over decades of years and under numerous administrations. People believing that stuff have never worked in a government agency before.
 
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As a Freemason I always laugh when there are people claiming that Masons are running some secret plot. Like, have you even been to a lodge meeting? We can't even start our meetings on time, how do you think we can run some deep conspiracy?
 
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As a Freemason I always laugh when there are people claiming that Masons are running some secret plot. Like, have you even been to a lodge meeting? We can't even start our meetings on time, how do you think we can run some deep conspiracy?
Ahhh... but what about the Stonecutters???

 
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Well sure. I think it's obvious that the rich and powerful are open about their interests to disenfranchise people and only serve their own goals for wealth and power.

It's thinking that there's a secret group running the world that is the problem; because of course the wealthy and powerful become wealthy and powerful by stepping on the necks of the poor and marginalized.

It's thinking that BLM is the problem, rather than the racists in power and the systemic racism that is the problem. It's thinking that "antifa" is the problem, rather than the actual fascists that are the problem. It's thinking immigrants and refugees are the problem, rather than the oppression of immigrants and refugees that is the problem. It's thinking that helping people is the problem, rather than oppressing people is the problem. It's thinking that those who want to help the planet are the problem, rather than the filthy rich oil tycoons who profiteer off poisoning the planet that are the problem.

It's calling evil good and good evil, that's the problem. And that's not a secret cabal of villains, it's just human nature in action because we are all sinful; and unfortunately in this fallen world the allure of power attracts the unscrupulous. People with conscience, who believe in justice, who believe in equity will tend toward ethical means toward ethical ends--but that's not an easy way toward power; the easy way toward power is by lacking conscience or acting against conscience, lacking scruples, and maintaining a "any means necessary" to secure the end goal of arriving at, securing, and maintaining power.

Donald Trump, for example, is a case study in just that. However there is a sizeable number of people who would rather believe in some mythical "Deep State" running things and trying to attack the God-anointed savior of the people, Donald Trump than simply recognize that people like Trump are the problem and have always been the problem. Self-serving demagogues and unscrupulous harlots of power and wealth who are willing to do anything, no matter how harmful and injurious to the welfare of the people, and in particularly the vulnerable, in order to achieve the goal of being in power and holding that power--for power's sake itself.

Doesn't require a secret cabal of villains; its the old saying from Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

History is replete with the evidence of this. And it continues to unfold right before our very eyes to this day. The conspiracy theorist is not acting as a good person unveiling the machinations of the wicked; but rather serving the interests of the wicked through misdirection and subterfuge.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'm reminded of a comment I heard in regard to the conspiracy theorists who deny we landed on the moon. They literally have to believe that, at the height of the Cold War, just a few years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, in the middle of the Space Race, the Soviets decided they would give America the win because they are involved in conspiracy theory.

Sure, America and the Soviet Union were at a constant threat of nuclear annihilation, but they really had our back when they were willing to lie to make us look good in the space race.

It's marshmellow-brain to believe something like that.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The conspiracy theory forum is over there.

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they're not relally out to get me!

Man, have you read your Bible ever? That's all it talks about is the grand conspiracy. And it's not conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact.

You should get out more.
 
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