- Satan wants to delay Christ's coming by interrupting the dissemination of the Good News of Jesus Christ to all nations...by doing so he delays his final sentence.
- Therefore Satan wants to ruin the lives and finances of individuals and organizations that are committed to the Great Commission. He also wants Christians to be self-indulgent and materialistic; planning, hoarding, and spending their money on themselves...thus not supporting the dissemination of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, thus delaying Christ's coming.
- Satan wants to continue to deceive the world to believe that Christians are nothing more than religious devotees to a "great teacher" Jesus Christ. He wants to show that Christians are corrupted and still just as fallen as Adam and Eve...not redeemed, and not transformed...no different than pagans, and idol worshippers.,,thus dissuading non-believers from coming to Christ.
- Satan wants to do anything to prevent Christians and perspective Christians from understanding and experiencing the ultimate good news, the ultimate Gospel of Jesus Christ, that we can be full of God's obedient Spirit (Love), Holy Spirit, just as Jesus Christ the Son of Man (human) was filled with Holy Spirit and able to overcome sin, and obey God exactly. Satan doesn't want us to realize by being filled with the Spirit of obedience, Holy Spirit, that we can do exactly what the Father's Will is, to live peacefully and show and tell all people how to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and receive the gift of Holy Spirit....because Satan knows when that happens Jesus Christ will return.
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Even if we grant your entire proposition regarding what Satan wants, thankfully, at least for we Calvinists, we know that Satan won't get what he wants. God's will is done.
Recognize that all true Christians will be Calvinists in glory....
Recognize that all true Christians will be Calvinists in glory....
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Too bad for Satan that what he wants has no bearing on what happens. Everything that happens is perfectly planned and precisely carried out by God, irrespective of Satan's wishes. Worrying about what Satan wants or may try to do to afflict the elect is a futile distraction for christians to engage in. If instead we were to concentrate on glorifying God and proclaiming His Gospel we would be alot better off. As long as we think the battle is to be fought on Satan's terms we err in granting him more power than he possesses, and waste energy better used for God's glory.
Are you claiming that christian perfection is attainable in this life? Then what was wrong with Paul who called himself cheif of sinners? Or the APOSTLE Peter who had to be rebuked by Paul for the sin of cowing to the judaizers? Had he not acheived this state of perfection yet, even though he was already holding the office of Apostle? This is an old and long ago rejected position.
Satan can do nothing to alter God's timetable. He doesn't Have any where near the power or authority to do so. When we ascribe power like that to him, we make God less and Satan more.
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I don't worship Satan's power, but it is a reality, just it like it was reality for Job. A Christian is vulnerable to Satan just like Job was vulnerable to Satan, when we are taking God for granted, when we serve our idea of christianity instead of serving God. When we have direct hits on us by Satan, he may be trying to destroy our finances, we can exam our submission...are we double minded christians as James points out?
I say we are double-minded when we think it is 'normal' to be both a sinner and a christian...whereas the scripture sets the goal as overcoming our sinful nature.
I say we are double-minded when we think it is 'normal' to be both a sinner and a christian...whereas the scripture sets the goal as overcoming our sinful nature.
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That was not the case with Job at all. Job was a god-fearing man, like none other on the planet. Satan could do nothing to Job. Satan had to come to God before Satan could do anything to Job. And what Satan could do Job was limited by what God said Satan was allowed to do.
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Are you sure? You ascribe to him an awful lot of power that the scriptures don't.
Maybe you ought to reread Job. You might notice that Satan was only able to do to Job what God allowed, and nothing more.
Well then, Paul must have been a real failure as a Christian, because he said:
Maybe part of the double mindedness Jame spoke of is the double mindedness of dualism, which seems to be what you adhere to. Satan is a creature, not an omnipotent being, and as a creature he has a creator, which is God.
Do you say you have no sin? Then here's what John said about anybody that said that:
Satan is not able to delay or in any way confound God's plan and decrees, no matter what he wants.
Yes, we overcome sin, not by our efforts, but by the Blood of Christ, and the sanctification of the Spirit conforming us to His image. But as Paul and John understood, and as the Spirit made plain through them, we do not attain to full sanctification in this life, but in the next. To believe as heretics like Finney, that we can acheive that, is to set ourselves up to fall. As soon as you commit your next sin, Super, you will have lost this thing you claim. And you will commit another, if nothing other than pride. Are you then lost? You live on the razor's edge in that theology, which is not scripture.
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We overcome sin by submitting to the control of Holy Spirit, by actually letting the spirit of Jesus live his life in us, letting him control us so that we do not sin, but instead obey God.
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