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Alcohol is simply one of those things that
1. Was necessary then for health reasons (water was unsafe and grape juice only lasts so long without fermentation
and
2. Has more potential for danger and destruction than it does for good.
Opinions aside, Jesus did drink wine, and created it at Cana. But He did not get drunk. Otherwise, the Pharisees would have accused Him of BEING a drunkard instead of eating and drinking with them.
Alcohol is simply one of those things that
1. Was necessary then for health reasons (water was unsafe and grape juice only lasts so long without fermentation
and
2. Has more potential for danger and destruction than it does for good.
Opinions aside, Jesus did drink wine, and created it at Cana. But He did not get drunk. Otherwise, the Pharisees would have accused Him of BEING a drunkard instead of eating and drinking with them.
However your reference to the OT is correct, pity you didn't give the reference. You can also find references in the OT where God commanded abstinence of individuals.
God bless you & please enjoy your beer.
Thank you BereanTodd. Your pastor friend laid out his argument well, though I notice he skims over those prohibited from drinking wine & deals with only 1 exception - the Nazarite. Ask him, what of the priest?
What of the Scriptures that encourage abstinence, such as Proverbs 34:4 & 5?
It is a shame that people only see the miracle of Cana as the production of wine [let's all start home brewing!] for it was not the purpose of the miracle. The purpose was that they might believe that he was the Son of God - the whole purpose of John's gospel.
I think it is a shame that people use this as proof that Jesus permitted the drinking of alcohol for, if that is the case in the quantity he produced it he certainly encouraged drunkedness.
However, I have already said that I abstain and that I encourage abstinence because I think it is better. I do not think that alcohol is the major cause for the aparent lack of the manifestation of the Spirit. The major cause is unbelief, which I feel is the cause for this argument about what we eat and drink.
Let me see... I am considered "old school" because I don't drink alcohol, I have short hair and encourage all men to be as I am, I encourage women to cover their head when they pray or prophesy, and I do not encourage women to seek places of authority in the church [actually I don't encourage anyone to look for positions of authority]. I don't enforce these things, I encourage them, and the reason I do not change my views is because I have seen terrible results in the lives of those who have - eternally destructive results. I also see that I have Scripture that supports me in doing so.
Of course I am free to do these things since I am but the least of the brethren. I do not claim a position in the church, nor do I hold a title. All I seek to do is obey Jesus' command to "go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature".
Because I am a brother as you are, or more lowly than you if you consider yourself to hold position in the church, you are free to join me in my faith or to reject it. Not doing as I say is not going to send you to hell. My calling is to serve, not to be served.
If anything I say prospers you in the gospel I am glad. If not, well that's okay, but I will continue to preach as I believe. What you do is not up to me, but up to you.
If you wish me to give defense for what I believe, I am happy, but if you are merely contentious, please go your way and love and serve the Lord. I love you.
it seems like youre judging people who dont do the same thing as you like youre better than them. nobody is less righteous because they enjoy a drink.
I'm not aware of any regulations the Pentecostals add. Regarding dress codes, Pentecostals attitudes toward dress are quite more relaxed than most denominations.
I can understand why they did it, though. Jesus drank wine because it was dangerous to drink the water - the same reason they still drink wine in France so much.
Yep...the old school Pentecostals were strict on dress though...my denomination, International Pentecostal Holiness, used to be this way, along with the Church of God, and some others. Men couldn't show their forearms...women couldn't cut their hair or wear makeup...women had to wear skirts to their ankles. Shorts were absolutely forbidden...thankfully most have gotten away from that.
I know a couple of the traditional CoG's in my area that I've ministered at they still kept the old "dress code"...
Another thing the old timers were against was any type of worldly entertainment...going to the movies, radio, watching tv...etc...
The only thing that's really still around is abstinence from alcohol and tobacco...but many evangelical denoms have the same policies. In the IPHC it's frowned upon if you drink or use tobacco, but they aren't gonna run you off for it...the only exception is that clergy cannot drink at all, or they'll lose their license.
ive known a few people who werent pentecostal that kept that same dress code. i always assumed they were until i got to know them. i wonder why ive never met anyone who judged me for not dressing like that or for watching certain movies and stuff but when it comes to drinking the hammer comes down on me pretty hard. any thoughts?
So...if you like to have a glass of wine with your meal, or drink a couple of beers while you're watching the baseball game, no big deal...unless it could cause your brother or sister, who may be a recovering alcoholic, to stumble.
Totally huge thing to consider!!
I don't really have much to add ... I'm still in the same place ... all things in moderation.
The original question concerned what things ... not just alcohol ...
I think each denomination has had it's thises and thats that over the years have been loosened ... the Pentecostal seems to get hammered with it ... but then again, I don't spend time in the other forums ... maybe they do, as well. I know Mormons have a strict dress code ... Jehovah's have their things, etc ... nuns where their attire ... the list is long ... ALL of which, imho, are man's additions to the Word. I've been on the subject of what defiles a man ... it's pretty clear what you where ... or eat ... or what you drive or what you live in ... none of those defile you. The problem begins when those mandates begin to dispel the grace Jesus came with. What can those things possibly have to do with loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as yourself!
It would seem fair to conclude that the Pentecostal denomination is no different than any other in the respect that they've ALL added to the Word ... and that they've all loosened their reigns ... and that they all grow and change and sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad ... it's not about any of that ... it's about love ...
Found a little book yesterday in an old box of junk at a junk store ... these are in the book ... I think they fit ...
It ain't no sin to be glad you're alive. ~ Bruce Springsteen ~
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often. ~ Winston Churchill ~
Interestingly, the word perfect in the bible means mature.
all jmo
I heard Pentecostal has many regulations that were "added" to the gospel. What are these things? I know the dress-code regulation is one of the few. I just want to know what else was added to the gospel by man (The New Testament). Because I don't want to focus on those things, but rather set my focus directly on Jesus and the gospel alone.
Thank You!
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