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i do not understand how you are using the term "Lutheran Churches"? is this a single church or a collection of churches?Because each Lutheran Chruch is a self governing body, there are some that do not follow the docternal issues that are implemented in the larger body of the Lutheran Churches.
I hope you will not hold that against the rest of us.
....and you and the Lutheran denomination are slowly assimilated....I posted this on another thread... I wanted to share it here.
In my town, where I worship, every Lent my congregation (Lutheran) and another congregation (RCatholic) have a joint study, so that we better understand each others congregations and "religions" We always focus on the positives of both churches, not on our differences, but our sameness! This is a positive in our community. Father Tom has offered the homily at my church, Pastor Chuck has offered the homily at Father Tom's parish! It is a wonderful thing.
If Luther had not been 'Luther' we would all be reciting "Hail Mary"s and paying for indulgences.
We need all to be Luthers in this: that we stand with Christ first, and not with those who would preach a different gospel. Luther may have been overzealous, but I would rather be burned by a Luther than compromise with a Tetzel. The Tetzels today are often deceived themselves, and they seem more like us, but they are Tetzels just the same.
I realize and am willing to admit that many paedobaptists are my brethren, many Pentecostals are my brethren, many of a multitude of traditions are my brethren. In cleaving to Christ, however, I am further from those who preach another gospel, not closer. Just because they do some things that seem religious, are familiar, are ethical and moral, does not mean I should break bread with them.
The thing in your passages that you are missing is that some may seem to be one of the "one another"s, but they are not. These verses are not an exhortation to include anyone that other passages tell us to leave off from.
Some may be saved and be participating in the RCC. If any are saved and are in that circumstance, we don't need to give them a reason to stay. We need to be a light so they know where they should be.
I would rather be burned by a Luther than compromise with a Tetzel
"Lutheran Churches: ELCA, WLS, Lutheran Church of the Bretheran, LCMSi do not understand how you are using the term "Lutheran Churches"? is this a single church or a collection of churches?
or the phrase "a self governing body"?
for in general Lutheran churches are not independent like the Baptists but rather hierarchical and episcopal like the RC or Anglican communions. I'm not sure that there are many independent Lutheran churches, if any.
Why would assimulating into the a single "church" be a bad thing? When Jesus Returns we will All be one "church", as infact we are not, the Chruch that Christ himself started. We are different only because we humans decided to be different denomanations (sp).....and you and the Lutheran denomination are slowly assimilated....
We need another Luther!!!
Exactly!!Is this selective listening?
We already are one church. The Bible never says to become one church, it says we are one church. There is one catholic church. It has no bodies within it that preach another gospel.
amenExactly!!And if they do preach another gospel, they are NOT brethren, and are not part of the one true church!
And yet, here we are discussing/arguing if one church is right or wrong.Is this selective listening?
We already are one church. The Bible never says to become one church, it says we are one church. There is one catholic church. It has no bodies within it that preach another gospel.
My Humble appologies, I re-read, and I misinterpeted what you had said. Perhaps this is because when I made that particular post I was also in a "discusssion" with someone that I feel was attacking Lutherans. My opinion only. I do believe that we are one chruch, and that the WORD of GOD is the final earthly authority whereby faith is nurtured. I hold the Pope in high regard. I know that there are churches that twist the Bible for their own use.Please quote where I said one church is wrong.
I am sorry if I scared you off. I am just so tired of being told that the problem with the RC church was Luther, and that being Lutheran is a bad thing.You scaried us all away, good night
Luther was not a problem for the RCC. The Medieval Church had problems LONG before Luther came on the scene. There had been Godly men calling for Reform for centuries before Luther arrived on the scene.I am sorry if I scared you off. I am just so tired of being told that the problem with the RC church was Luther, and that being Lutheran is a bad thing.
My friends, it hit me after much prayer on the matter of this andd another thread about Lutherans, that all of us are being prideful! With that being part of the problem. The book of Proverbs all of a sudden came to my mind. Here is the Chapter, that I turned to PROVERBS 16:I am sorry if I scared you off. I am just so tired of being told that the problem with the RC church was Luther, and that being Lutheran is a bad thing.
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