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What Makes Creationism a Valid Scientific Alternative?

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u do understand that is being as closed minded as u claim I am
 
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To me teaching evolution in grade school is very Hitler-like...one of those "believe this or get a bad grade" brain-washing techniques.

Rubbish. But you have proven the old "mention Hitler!" tactic.

And grades are assigned by KNOWLEDGE, not "belief". Rubbish again. (And before you talk about tenure or academic promotion, you're talking to a retired academic who has taught in universities in the USA and UK. Those who copy-and-paste from nonsense they find at ID and creationist websites have no idea of the facts of how academia works. I was still a young earth creationist and was well known for that on the campus---but never had a problem with advancement or new faculty posts.

Evolution is taught because it is solid science. If you think it isn't, don't post slogans. Post EVIDENCE. Start with nested trees and how "common descent" does NOT look anything like "common design". Ignorance does NOT get a vote in science.
 
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Because it's a basic concept about the world. Most of us aren't going to be astronomers; does this mean that geocentrism should be taught as a valid theory? Few of us are going to be geologists or meteorologists; does this mean that we should teach the controversy about the flat Earth?

again, that's just pushing an idea by calling those who question ignorant...that's politics not science.
No, it's pushing an idea and calling those who disregard the evidence as ignorant. That's science, not politics.
 
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it is a worldview and should be taught in Philosophy or Religion in college.

No, it's basic biology, and Americans are stupid and underperforming enough without literally cutting science from the curriculum. We are trying to PROMOTE STEM fields, not kill them. Jeez...

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The following is why evolution is not compatible with scripture:

1) Evolution would imply that the account of Adam & Eve was merely allegory and that they were not historical figures. If this were the case, it would not make sense to include Adam in Jesus' geneology.
2) If the first Adam was not a historical figure, how can you say the last Adam was.
3) Biblical creation says death followed the creation of man and resulted from original sin. Evolution says that death preceded the creation of man and was in fact the vehicle for his creation. In this case, sin would have had no consequences. This undermines the gospel.
4) Evolution says that the birds evolved from the reptiles. Creationism says that the birds were created before the reptiles.
5) The genesis account of creation brackets each day of the six days of creation with a morning and and evening, making it clear that they were literal days.
6) God set aside the sabbath every 7th literal day to commemorate the day He rested from creation.
7) Jesus spoke of Adam as a literal historical figure.
8) Creation was finished after the 6th day.
 
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Your response is irrelevant as the question was about how one reconciles evolution with the creation account in genesis.

Yeah, which has nothing to do with science. Go to Origins Theology if you want to talk theology.

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Go to an atheist website if you want to Argue against scripture.

I don't. I'd rather we actually talk about SCIENCE in the science forum and theology in the theology forum. I realize the off topic rule is never enforced, but even so it'd be awesome if we could at least TRY to follow the rules.

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Biologists don't need it can only be said by someone who is completely and utterly ignorant about biology.
 
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I agree. When they treat it as an established fact with a monopoly, no allowance being made for legitimate objections to the theory, it is no longer science, but indoctrination.
Ah, such sweet hyperbole. Don't kid yourself - no legitimate objections are taught because there are no legitimate objections. At least, none which haven't been resoundingly debunked since the first publication of Origins.
 
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Yeah, most people don't need to learn literature, advanced math, history, geology, geography, grammar, spelling, why the push for those to young kids? I mean, education is evil.
 
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False. I can do it too.

You forgot to actually describe the evidence that makes it false.

How do you rapidly lay down 500 feet of chalk that is made up of coccolithophores?

"Coccolithophores (also called coccolithophorids) are single-celled algae, protists, and phytoplankton belonging to the division of haptophytes. They are distinguished by special calcium carbonate plates (or scales) of uncertain function called coccoliths (calcareous nanoplankton), which are important microfossils. Coccolithophores are almost exclusively marine and are found in large numbers throughout the surface euphotic zone of the ocean. They are extremely abundant as microfossils."
Coccolithophore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can't produce 500 feet of chalk in a year. It just doesn't happen.
 
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Eight great reasons for why creationism is not taken seriously by scientists.
 
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Nice try. Anyone can try to discredit sources. How about refuting the claims of the article.

Mathetes, AIG is a horrible source for science. If you wish to believe Noah's flood was global that is perfectly fine. However, the science AIG presents does not follow any realistic legitimate science.
 
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