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I am not talking of the year 2023 - or this century.The German people, state, and government seem strong to me.
That is a long period of time. What are you defining as a downfall?I am not talking of the year 2023 - or this century.
I have in mind the whole history of Germany since about around 800 after Christ.
And there have been many downfalls since then.
many events - eg the war of the 30 years - and the First World War - etc etcWhat are you defining as a downfall?
Those are periods of time and events. What makes you call them the downfalls of Germany?many events - eg the war of the 30 years - and the First World War - etc etc
What would you call that?What makes you call them the downfalls of Germany?
I am trying to understand what a downfall is in your eyes. To me, it is the fall of a government or the destruction of a nation. Not everything you listed fits that or fits it well. So I am trying to understand what you are trying to state here.What would you call that?
Pleasant summer holidays?
I give it up.
Over and out.
Anybody here with a bit of more empathy with misery?
.... an obscure event that changed the world -- the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo. A month later, five of the six great powers of Europe had declared war on each other.
By the end of the conflict four years later, 37 million soldiers and civilians were killed or wounded, empires were reshaped, and society had changed forever. Victorian principles of humankind's orderly progress and the gallantry of war were upended. In its place came the barbarity of trench warfare, gas attacks, starvation and the great "No Man's Land" between armies.
"The First World War revealed that barbarism lay just beneath the thin veneer of civilization," said Gordon Martel, author of the new book "The Month That Changed The World: July 1914." "It revealed that if you scratch the surface that we are all killers under the skin. And we all fear death."
But what if the Archduke's assassin -- a Serbian nationalist -- missed? What if the "Great War" hadn't occurred? How would the 20th century have evolved differently? Without World War I, there probably wouldn't have been World War II. No Hitler. No Holocaust. No Cold War.
Without tens of millions of deaths, European nations would have likely put more resources into building their economies. Germany would have become an economic, scientific and cultural powerhouse.
The United States would have remained more isolated, less intertwined with the rest of the world, and also less tolerant of the rights of women, blacks, Jews and other minority groups. There wouldn't have been a President Barack Obama, nor a President John F. Kennedy.
At the same time, there wouldn't have been nuclear weapons, computers and possibly even the Internet. Why? Military spending drove all of these technological advancements.
These are some of the scenarios sketched out by historian Richard Ned Lebow, professor of international political theory at King's College London and author of the 2014 book "Archduke Franz Ferdinand Lives!: A World Without World War I."
Much had been very different.
WWI was the major step from the old world to the new world.
WWI was the main event that led to the major changes in Europe and the world. It paved also the way for the processes that led to WWII, Cold War, Iron Curtain, Nuclear Arms Race, and the world we know today.
Without WWI the WWII would not have happened.
The Russian Tsar Empire, the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Empire Japan and the Kaiser Empire Germany would all have remained.
The two superpowers Soviet Union and USA would never had developed.
The pre-WWI map of Europe would have been unchanged.
God Save Emperor Francis
God save Francis the emperor,
Our good Emperor Francis!
Long live Francis the emperor,
In the brightest splendour of happiness!
May sprigs of laurel bloom for him
As a garland of honour, wherever he goes.
God save Francis the emperor,
Our good Emperor Francis!
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