cheesecakephan, STAY!!!!!!!!
do not leave.
Your input is exactly on line, you give ALL credit to the work of Jesus and the power given to us through the Holy Spirit.
Stelow, yes this thread has gone on and on, it has made me dig deeper into the Bible, if all I do is read threads that agree with me, I don't have a reason to dig deeper and more focused on one topic.
Natalie, I approve of your sticking to every word in the Bible, yet I know on circumcision you and Ozell disagree on how it changed after the death of Jesus. You both have the same fortitude of following every word, yet you both split after Jesus death. If that is the only thing that changed after Jesus death, it doesn't put Jesus much over an animal then.
I have heard the statement of Grace being a ticket to sin over and over and over. It makes me sick, it is the most exagerated statement and must make Jesus weep everytime a true believer of whom is indwelled with the Holy Spirit make this accusasion. Before I was indwelled with the Holy Spirit I didn't want to kill, steal, lie and cheat, why now, with the Holy Spirit would I want to do it? I just don't get it. Why would the Spirit of God, cause me to sin worse than I ever wanted to before?
This statement makes me think I have to answer back since it may have been directed to me. In order for me to answer an accusal, In have to be accused. Now it is satan, not Jesus who does the accusing. Here's something to think about when one accuses, satan uses the "law" to accuse. So I ask, if one is accusing, using the "law" whose court are you standing in?
From the cheating tax man to the adultress, to the caught lady having sex, even to the non-Jews, who came to Jesus, he never accused, no one, he is the giver of life, not condemnation.
Next.....as for Ozell, think about it all of you, all that gave up on Ozell because his beliefs were not the same as yours, those of you who became impatient. His teachings I do not agree with, but as he has written many times, we just have differnt opinions. Big deal, he certainly isn't of any denomination.
Next... this is Ozell's post, if he wants to reply to what you all consider off the topic, it is his perogitive. One thing I do appreciate about Ozell is that he doen't jump on to other people's topic posts and derail them, I appreciate that in him.
Next... I believe Jesus sacrifice changed most every topic from Old Testsament to New Testsament, so as far as I'm concerned the topic of this post applies to most everything.
Next.... Make a comparison. Saul (Paul), versus Ozell. Saul was very detemined to KILL every Jesus believer, I said KILL. He held fast to every written word in the "Moses law", it was God breathed and God inspired and Saul was going to hold on to it for dear life.
I ask, how much different is Ozell's beliefs, still holds dear to the "law" every last word. His knowledge is exceptional. Only difference is Ozell has blended Jesus into the law.
Once Jesus came to Saul and put it to his face about the truth and the Holy Spirit came upon him, he changed 200 %. Total change, even a name change. After that he was the perfect tool to teach the New truth to the surrounding cities and beyond. God had a man of whom could answer any question on both sides of law and Grace, Jew's and gentiles.
As for Ozell and I, we don't agree on squat, but I believe we have a mutual respect for each others beliefs.
Difference in belief, simlply, I am a nothing with out Jesus, zip, nodda zilch, as I keep writing, it's Him not me. When God looks at me, he sees me through Jesus, Jesus is my viewing filter, before God sees me, Jesus has cleansed God's view of me, hense, I am made perfect in Christ.
Ozell puts mans works above Jesus work, man has to make himself perfect by following the laws. I really cannot condemn him, for it does say that he has the right to do so. If he choses to follow the law he has to do it perfectly, right down to every last word, this is his choice. I don't think the Bible says no body in the future won't fulfill the laws by himself, Ozell has the right to give it a shot then.
I on the other hand I will do what all Christians are supposed to do, PRAY, for Ozell. with all the knowledge that Ozell has, he would be the perfect modern day Paul. I know he has a different opinion of the workings of the Holy Spirit, but just as Jesus stopped Saul in his tracks, that doesn't mean Jesus can't change his heart.