what Law did Jesus replace?

ozell · Jan 19, 2010

John said

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

when did Jesus take the sins away?

because after Jesus came, died and rose

Paul said

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12: They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Zeena · Jan 19, 2010

Judaize

v.tr. To bring into conformity with Judaism.

v.intr. To adopt Jewish customs and beliefs.

Judaizing - definition of Judaizing by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

ozell · Jan 19, 2010

Zeena said:
Judaize

v.tr. To bring into conformity with Judaism.

v.intr. To adopt Jewish customs and beliefs.

Judaizing - definition of Judaizing by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

what is a Jew?

is Jesus a Jew?

what was Jesus custom?

Paul was a Benjamite

should we follow the benjamites customs seeing Paul was a benjamite?

.

Big Bear Homes · Jan 20, 2010

The Mosaic Law

ozell · Jan 21, 2010

Big Bear Homes said:
The Mosaic Law

bbh

what is the mosaic law?

be specific?

lets break it down.

thanks for your participation

what law did Moses create, draw up, for Israel and the people of the OT?

ozell · Jan 21, 2010

what are the laws of Moses?

gideon army · Jan 23, 2010

Zeena said:
And if the believer doesn't magnify the law, but instead lives in antinomianism, giving free reign to sin and transgressing the law?

It's not our concern on each believer Zeena if they'll Magnify the Law, It's Between God the Daddy/Christ/Holy Spirit & the Believer for it's written:-

Luke 16:15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God

Then contrast with what The Scriptures advocates or our LORD Christ Himself said :-

Isa 54:17 No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue [which] rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness [is] from Me," Says the LORD.

Romans 1st 7 Chapters were dedicated especially to the Pillars of Righteousness that is a Gift from GOD/Christ & showing believers that in & out of themselves-sinsfull hence Romans 8 Open up with NO Condemnation for those who are in Christ

As for epistle of Peter, please understand that it is Written Specifically Especially for the Jews who are Hard of Hearing & seeking to Established themselve via the Law of Moses & Not submitting themselves to Christ Gift of Righteousness

Your quotation from Epistle of Jude 1:22-23 is also a Misrepresentation, why? It's :-

Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe when reading Scriptures or for that Matter, anything one reads, one ought to read within the Context or else one would be Con by Conmen

Zeena said:
Galations 4:1-2
Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Do you not know that above Scriptures/ Epistle of Paul's was addressing the Galatians Church whom have let Judaizer crep in by teaching the Galatians Church to observe the Laws for self justification? The above scriptures specifically telling the Galatians church that if they submit & observe the Laws then they are like babes UNSKILLED in righteousness

Zeena said:
1 Corinthians 15:17
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Do you not know what the above Scriptures telling Believers Zeena? It's saying that with Christ Raised means that all the Believers Sins (Past/Present/Future) are successfully Put away & the Believers are Eternally Righteous to GOD the Daddy & Christ for they live outside time & if you only know the True Value of Christ BLOOD in cleasing all believers sins once & for all with NO Seperation between GOD & the Believer regardless of their performance

Zeena you stated that you confess your sins for Sanctification purposes for which i've addressed it with Scriptures to show you that you have Sanctification already in which I quoted:-

1 Cr 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption--

& you asked:-

Zeena said:
Is He?
Is He made that unto you?

He is the Righteousness of God in and through you?
Does He, by the Spirit, sanctify your body for Holy Living through you, even as you are being sprinkled by His Blood?
Is He redeeming you from the power of sin at this very moment?

Now, to answer your questions, believe you'll take nothing except via the Scriptures?

Question. when GOD accounted Abraham righteous in:-

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

How many times did Abraham muck up terribly? Thereby demolishing main stream christians that they have to 'work' for their righteousness Abraham sinned against GOD 3 times (Bearing False Witness / Not acknowledging his LORD his GOD via disbelief ) , is there any Rebuke from GOD? If the christians are sons of Abraham then wouldn't they have the Abrahamic Covenant as stated in Gal 3:17 where the believers sins are NOT Accounted to them

Therefore Zeena, maybe we're from different Covenant, i know that all my sins Past/Present & Future have been forgiven, do you know

Zeena said:
John 17:19
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Yo Zeena, you're not Christ hence you're in no position to Sanctify yourself - If you insist then it's nothing more then FOOLISH Pride & if you quote from the Old testament, then you'll need to kill an Unblemish Animal to Sanctify yourself

ozell · Jan 23, 2010

since the beginning of creation with Adam and Eve, sacrificing of Animals was never a option.

Gen 2
15: And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

all Adam and Eve had to do was obey God's words?

death would not have entered the picture.

to obey is better than sacrifice.

1Sam 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

what if Adam and Eve had obeyed and hearkened?

would the blood of a animal be needed?

would the blood of Jesus be needed?

ozell · Jan 23, 2010

are any of you aware that a altar for sacrificing has been built by the jews in Israel who want to build a temple in Jerusalem?

are you aware that they will bring back animal sacrifices?

everyone who responded to this topic know that the animal sacrifices are no more!!

we all agree on this!!

yet most of us here think that the commandments GOD gave Moses are done away with.

Most of us here think that the dietary laws God gave Moses is done away with.

most of us here think that the feast days that God gave Moses are done away with.

yet in the near future animal sacrifice will be reinstituted by the Jews.

ozell · Jan 23, 2010

gideon army said:
It's not our concern on each believer Zeena if they'll Magnify the Law, It's Between God the Daddy/Christ/Holy Spirit & the Believer for it's written:-

Luke 16:15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God

Then contrast with what The Scriptures advocates or our LORD Christ Himself said :-

Isa 54:17 No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue [which] rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness [is] from Me," Says the LORD.

Romans 1st 7 Chapters were dedicated especially to the Pillars of Righteousness that is a Gift from GOD/Christ & showing believers that in & out of themselves-sinsfull hence Romans 8 Open up with NO Condemnation for those who are in Christ

As for epistle of Peter, please understand that it is Written Specifically Especially for the Jews who are Hard of Hearing & seeking to Established themselve via the Law of Moses & Not submitting themselves to Christ Gift of Righteousness

Your quotation from Epistle of Jude 1:22-23 is also a Misrepresentation, why? It's :-

Jude 1:4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe when reading Scriptures or for that Matter, anything one reads, one ought to read within the Context or else one would be Con by Conmen

Do you not know that above Scriptures/ Epistle of Paul's was addressing the Galatians Church whom have let Judaizer crep in by teaching the Galatians Church to observe the Laws for self justification? The above scriptures specifically telling the Galatians church that if they submit & observe the Laws then they are like babes UNSKILLED in righteousness

Do you not know what the above Scriptures telling Believers Zeena? It's saying that with Christ Raised means that all the Believers Sins (Past/Present/Future) are successfully Put away & the Believers are Eternally Righteous to GOD the Daddy & Christ for they live outside time & if you only know the True Value of Christ BLOOD in cleasing all believers sins once & for all with NO Seperation between GOD & the Believer regardless of their performance

Zeena you stated that you confess your sins for Sanctification purposes for which i've addressed it with Scriptures to show you that you have Sanctification already in which I quoted:-

1 Cr 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption--

& you asked:-

Now, to answer your questions, believe you'll take nothing except via the Scriptures?

Question. when GOD accounted Abraham righteous in:-

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

How many times did Abraham muck up terribly? Thereby demolishing main stream christians that they have to 'work' for their righteousness Abraham sinned against GOD 3 times (Bearing False Witness / Not acknowledging his LORD his GOD via disbelief ) , is there any Rebuke from GOD? If the christians are sons of Abraham then wouldn't they have the Abrahamic Covenant as stated in Gal 3:17 where the believers sins are NOT Accounted to them

Therefore Zeena, maybe we're from different Covenant, i know that all my sins Past/Present & Future have been forgiven, do you know

Yo Zeena, you're not Christ hence you're in no position to Sanctify yourself - If you insist then it's nothing more then FOOLISH Pride & if you quote from the Old testament, then you'll need to kill an Unblemish Animal to Sanctify yourself

Abraham was a flesh and blood man like we all here on this earth.

Yet the Lord said this about him

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

and because of this God called him a FRIEND!!

Jms 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

How did Abraham obey God?

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

ozell · Jan 23, 2010

Gal 3
17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, what covenant was confirmed in Jesus? the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, what law was 430 years after? cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. what law cannot disannul?

18: For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19: Wherefore then serveth the law? what law is being served?

It was added because of transgressions, what law was added because of transgressions?

till the seed should come what law was removed until the seed(Jesus) came?

to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

ozell · Jan 23, 2010

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

what law did Jesus replace?

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Zeena · Jan 23, 2010

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

I pray it's obvious to you this 'law' Paul is speaking of is more than the sacrificial? "Thou shalt not covet", is that not more than sacrificial?

Galations 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

This 'law' that we died to, is more than the sacrificial 'law' of ordinances.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This 'law' Paul is speaking of encompasses the whole 'law' given to Isreal, not merely the sacrificial 'law' of ordinances.

To confound when Paul is speaking of the law of sacrifices and when he is speaking of the whole law given to the Jews as a whole is a most fatal error in your theology. For indeed, there are instances in which he speaking solely of the law of sacrifices and also of the law, as a whole. As is clearly indicative in Romans 7:7, for instance.

NatalieJan777 · Jan 23, 2010

Zeena said:
Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

I pray it's obvious to you this 'law' Paul is speaking of is more than the sacrificial? "Thou shalt not covet", is that not more than sacrificial?

Galations 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

This 'law' that we died to, is more than the sacrificial 'law' of ordinances.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This 'law' Paul is speaking of encompasses the whole 'law' given to Isreal, not merely the sacrificial 'law' of ordinances.

To confound when Paul is speaking of the law of sacrifices and when he is speaking of the whole law given to the Jews as a whole is a most fatal error in your theology. For indeed, there are instances in which he speaking solely of the law of sacrifices and also of the law, as a whole. As is clearly indicative in Romans 7:7, for instance.

If Paul was in Jesus and Jesus said the below how can they both be right?

Are you saying if I trust and do what Jesus said, I am now fallen from grace?

Matthew 5:17 -20 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tellyou that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

No one, and most certainly not GOD will condemn his children for following the commandments and the laws (without sacrifice and punishments, for we have a high preist CHRIST JESUS in heaven doing this for us on our behalf right now and vengance will always belong to GOD).

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant 'new' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

It is not implied here that anything is over yet and as Jesus says 'until heaven and earth disappear'.

You can call me and others who do not agree with your point of view a judaizer all you want, it will never make us stop listening to Jesus.

And I will not condemn nor judge you for listening and doing what the Lord leads you to do either.

It is the free will to choose that GOD has given each of us and we must respect that in each other (I am speaking to all sides of this issues).

NatalieJan777 · Jan 23, 2010

Luke 12:15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

Zeena · Jan 23, 2010

NatalieJan777 said:
If Paul was in Jesus and Jesus said the below how can they both be right?

Are you saying if I trust and do what Jesus said, I am now fallen from grace?

Matthew 5:17 -20 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tellyou that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

No one, and most certainly not GOD will condemn his children for following the commandments and the laws (without sacrifice and punishments, for we have a high preist CHRIST JESUS in heaven doing this for us on our behalf right now and vengance will always belong to GOD).

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant 'new' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

It is not implied here that anything is over yet and as Jesus says 'until heaven and earth disappear'.

You can call me and others who do not agree with your point of view a judaizer all you want, it will never make us stop listening to Jesus.

And I will not condemn nor judge you for listening and doing what the Lord leads you to do either.

It is the free will to choose that GOD has given each of us and we must respect that in each other (I am speaking to all sides of this issues).

Make no mistake.

I'm not implying there is no 'law' for Christians.

BUT, that the 'old' 'law' has passed away.

WE, as Christians, are now subject to the 'law' of Christ.

romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

ozell · Jan 25, 2010

Zeena said:
Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

I pray it's obvious to you this 'law' Paul is speaking of is more than the sacrificial? "Thou shalt not covet", is that not more than sacrificial?

Galations 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

This 'law' that we died to, is more than the sacrificial 'law' of ordinances.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This 'law' Paul is speaking of encompasses the whole 'law' given to Isreal, not merely the sacrificial 'law' of ordinances.

To confound when Paul is speaking of the law of sacrifices and when he is speaking of the whole law given to the Jews as a whole is a most fatal error in your theology. For indeed, there are instances in which he speaking solely of the law of sacrifices and also of the law, as a whole. As is clearly indicative in Romans 7:7, for instance.

you have two laws being quoted by Paul.

you have sin

you have a law that acknowledges and condemns sin.

you have a law that is broken that requires deeds to be performed.

what deeds are required by keeping the commandments?

read the 10 commandments and ask yourself what deeds are required?

in Rom 7v7

Paul acknowledges the commandments because of sin.

People are still sinning today so the commandments must be acknowledged

people go to jail for stealing and killing the goverments acknowledge this as transgressing their laws.

is it done away with? or do people go to Jail for these trespasses?

Zeena · Jan 25, 2010

ozell said:
you have two laws being quoted by Paul.

Now, which is which?

ozell · Jan 25, 2010

Zeena;54004481]Make no mistake.

I'm not implying there is no 'law' for Christians.

BUT, that the 'old' 'law' has passed away.

what law passed away?

WE, as Christians, are now subject to the 'law' of Christ.

what are these laws?

romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

agan Sister you have two laws being quoted by Paul

a law of the life
a law of sin and death

what is the law of Life in Jesus?
what is the Law of sin and death?

ozell · Jan 25, 2010

Zeena said:
Now, which is which?

who was the God who gave Israel and the MIXED MULTITUDE the commandments?

lets read who Paul say it is.

1Cor 10v1: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

It was Jesus who was with them in the wilderness even on mount SInai when he gave the commandments.

Jesus said this below in the OT.

Deut 8:1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
3: And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know;that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

it is the commandments and the word of God that we live by.

when Jesus came in the flesh in the NT he said

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Lk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

what is the law of the spirit of Life in Jesus Paul speaks of?

romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus

the commandments and every word that proceeds out of his mouth,

lets read John

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

what did John say the words of Jesus is?

spirit and life

what Law did Jesus replace?

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