what Law did Jesus replace?

ozell · Jan 10, 2010

when did Jesus call the sacrifce and the oblations to cease?

Dan 9v27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

when Jesus died on the cross did he put a end to sin?

24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

gideon army · Jan 11, 2010

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spiritwarrior37 · Jan 11, 2010

oneofchrists said:
Jesus Did not replace the Law Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the prophets; ihave not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

Yes Jesus did fulfill the law. Merriam webster defines fulfill as: to meet the requirements of ; to bring to an end.

The law was brought to an end. Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law by His sacrifice on the cross.

nChrist · Jan 11, 2010

spiritwarrior37 said:
Yes Jesus did fulfill the law. Merriam webster defines fulfill as: to meet the requirements of ; to bring to an end.

The law was brought to an end. Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law by His sacrifice on the cross.

There are some modern day Pharisees and Sadducees in this thread who still want to be under the law. Trying to show them anything about the Gospel of the Grace of God is like talking to a rock. Good luck.

ozell · Jan 13, 2010

spiritwarrior37 said:
Yes Jesus did fulfill the law. Merriam webster defines fulfill as: to meet the requirements of ; to bring to an end.

The law was brought to an end. Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law by His sacrifice on the cross.

why are people still sinning and in need of a advocate?

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

why is the chief of sin walking around?

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Jesus fulfilled a law and it was not yours or mines.

He fulfilled the law he had to keep.

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

have you fulfilled this one?

ozell · Jan 13, 2010

357magnum said:
There are some modern day Pharisees and Sadducees in this thread who still want to be under the law. Trying to show them anything about the Gospel of the Grace of God is like talking to a rock. Good luck.

There are liars, thieves, murderers, rapist, adulterers, idolaters,
child molesters, who believe in God and attended church and yet commit these heinous acts.

Then their are those who go to church and believe that the
commandments is fulfilled, Yet they are the first to point the fingers at the above transgressors.

ozell · Jan 13, 2010

who is the Messiah and when was he cut off?

Did the Messiah die for the sins of the pople or for himself?

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

when did Jesus call the sacrifce and the oblations to cease?

Dan 9v27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

when Jesus died on the cross did he put a end to sin?

24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy

gideon army · Jan 13, 2010

ozell said:
why are people still sinning and in need of a advocate?

Are you a Pharisees or Scribe Ozell? All men including Believers Continually SINS, are you any different? With or without the Commandments, everybody sins hence Paul talked at length in 2nd Corinthians Chapter 11

1st John written specifically targeting at the Gnostics you might consider well to do your Fact Finding 1st before Wrongly/ Mis-Representing Scriptures by Perverting the Word of Christo

Ozell you're quote:-

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Please, you're beginning to make a mockery out of yourself as any Christians / CHILD of GOD would know it's addressed Specifically Targeting the JEWS/ Non-Believers who are advocating the Law of Moses in 1st Peter Epistle

Christ is the REAL Lion of Judea & HE doesn't rebuke any sinners, on the Contrary, Christ goes about REBUKING those advocating the LAWS (Please re-check your Gospels)

ozell said:
Jesus fulfilled a law and it was not yours or mines.

He fulfilled the law he had to keep.

Ozell, by Stating the above, I have nothing but Thanks to you for showing all readers Ozell your DEPTH/ Breadth/ Width pertaining to the things you know about the Scriptures

Ozell, the Law was supposed to be Kept by men/Children of GOD (those children of Israel who boasted of their ability to do what GOD asks in mount Sinai & to BLESS them base on their own efforts) for which NONE can hence Christ came to Magnify GOD's Highest Standards & Keep it on Men behalf as our Substitute so that men can be Bless with Grace (Unearned/ Unmerited / Undeserved FREE Full Favors of GOD the Daddy)

In the Book of Acts Chapter 2:40, the Author was telling the Congregation what would happen to those who didn't believe in the LORD Jesus Christ Ozell PLEASE READ your BIBLE again Properly / Carefully/ SLOWLY

ozell · Jan 13, 2010

gideon army said:
Are you a Pharisees or Scribe Ozell? All men including Believers Continually SINS, are you any different? With or without the Commandments, everybody sins hence Paul talked at length in 2nd Corinthians Chapter 11

1st John written specifically targeting at the Gnostics you might consider well to do your Fact Finding 1st before Wrongly/ Mis-Representing Scriptures by Perverting the Word of Christo

Ozell you're quote:-

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Please, you're beginning to make a mockery out of yourself as any Christians / CHILD of GOD would know it's addressed Specifically Targeting the JEWS/ Non-Believers who are advocating the Law of Moses in 1st Peter Epistle

Christ is the REAL Lion of Judea & HE doesn't rebuke any sinners, on the Contrary, Christ goes about REBUKING those advocating the LAWS (Please re-check your Gospels)

Ozell, by Stating the above, I have nothing but Thanks to you for showing all readers Ozell your DEPTH/ Breadth/ Width pertaining to the things you know about the Scriptures

Ozell, the Law was supposed to be Kept by men/Children of GOD (those children of Israel who boasted of their ability to do what GOD asks in mount Sinai & to BLESS them base on their own efforts) for which NONE can hence Christ came to Magnify GOD's Highest Standards & Keep it on Men behalf as our Substitute so that men can be Bless with Grace (Unearned/ Unmerited / Undeserved FREE Full Favors of GOD the Daddy)

In the Book of Acts Chapter 2:40, the Author was telling the Congregation what would happen to those who didn't believe in the LORD Jesus Christ Ozell PLEASE READ your BIBLE again Properly / Carefully/ SLOWLY

gideon

answer the qustions?

your personal feeling have no effect on me good or evil.

answer the questions?
who is the Messiah and when was he cut off?

Did the Messiah die for the sins of the pople or for himself?

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

when did Jesus call the sacrifce and the oblations to cease?

Dan 9v27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

when Jesus died on the cross did he put a end to sin?

24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy

ozell · Jan 13, 2010

gideon army said:
Are you a Pharisees or Scribe Ozell? All men including Believers Continually SINS, are you any different? With or without the Commandments, everybody sins hence Paul talked at length in 2nd Corinthians Chapter 11

1st John written specifically targeting at the Gnostics you might consider well to do your Fact Finding 1st before Wrongly/ Mis-Representing Scriptures by Perverting the Word of Christo

Ozell you're quote:-

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Please, you're beginning to make a mockery out of yourself as any Christians / CHILD of GOD would know it's addressed Specifically Targeting the JEWS/ Non-Believers who are advocating the Law of Moses in 1st Peter Epistle

Christ is the REAL Lion of Judea & HE doesn't rebuke any sinners, on the Contrary, Christ goes about REBUKING those advocating the LAWS (Please re-check your Gospels)

Ozell, by Stating the above, I have nothing but Thanks to you for showing all readers Ozell your DEPTH/ Breadth/ Width pertaining to the things you know about the Scriptures

Ozell, the Law was supposed to be Kept by men/Children of GOD (those children of Israel who boasted of their ability to do what GOD asks in mount Sinai & to BLESS them base on their own efforts) for which NONE can hence Christ came to Magnify GOD's Highest Standards & Keep it on Men behalf as our Substitute so that men can be Bless with Grace (Unearned/ Unmerited / Undeserved FREE Full Favors of GOD the Daddy)

In the Book of Acts Chapter 2:40, the Author was telling the Congregation what would happen to those who didn't believe in the LORD Jesus Christ Ozell PLEASE READ your BIBLE again Properly / Carefully/ SLOWLY

answer the questions?

why are people still sinning and in need of a advocate?

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

why is the chief of sin walking around?

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Jesus fulfilled a law and it was not yours or mines.

He fulfilled the law he had to keep.

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

have you fulfilled this one?

gideon army · Jan 13, 2010

ozell said:
gideon
answer the qustions?
your personal feeling have no effect on me good or evil.

Ozell, unfortunately this would be the last time i'll be addressing you directly for you never fail to Amaze me nor the Readers here your DEPTH/ Breadth/ Width regarding the Scriptures till i'm SHY replying you

Why? Using Our LORD Christ Jesus words : Now learn this parable

Pro 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Pro 29:9 [If] a wise man contends with a foolish man, Whether [the fool] rages or laughs, [there is] no peace.

Ecc 10:3 Even when a fool walks along the way, He lacks wisdom, And he shows everyone [that] he [is] a fool.

Don't you know that the Book of Daniel Chapter 9:26 refers to the Desolations as Reiterated By Jesus?

Matt 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,'spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Read & check it out yourself at your Leisurely pace from above till Matt 24:22 Christ was talking about the Jewish Temple being demolished & their nation trampled by Gentiles It's repeated in Mark 13:14-20 that's if you're still confused Now you know why Christ Said in last part of Matt 24:15?

As for Matt 24:23 to Matt 24:31, Christ is speaking about our era

Ozell before you post anything, read Carefully/Slowly/Properly & FULLY + it'll do you well to check Who wrote it, for whom, & why was it written so that you'll not amaze readers with your 'KNowledge'

Almighty's humble servant · Jan 13, 2010

Peace and enlightenment to all who lays eyes upon this post.

My dearest brother ozell,

Indeed you have been steadfast in your charge, and our ALmighty Father, and His Beloved Son, our Christ Jesus, has given notice of it.

I have recently been delving into the "blanket of grace", as I have as fellows, a few who on Sunday, during worship showed a form of repentence, but on Monday, have fallen fast away. We all know these types.

One of which, is a boy of 22, who I have been mentoring, as his dad was hard into the drugs, and was found dead in a motel room, with a needle in his arm, and a bottle of rotgut in his other hand when the boy was just 13.

It just happens that I moved next door to him a week before this catastrophe.
The boy is in the church, from time to time, and even comes to worship with me at my home, but indeed, the sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons.
I pray in earnest he will release himself from the sinful nature that surrounds him, but I make no condemnation of him, as I, like yourself was raised in chicago, gage park, and was a gangster for many years.

Anyway, this boy, I feel, i am charged with keeping. And all he remarks to me is "I know", and "Im sorry", "I try", and all things we do when we fall.

While reflecting upon this "blanket of grace" which most every apostate church I have been to preaches, I prayed for enlightenment or vision regarding this socalled blanket.

This is what my dream was.

A white translucent finger pointed at a scripture. And the unrecognizable and unidentified voice said " Second Thessalonians 2, verse 7 and 8.
Then I awoke to use the commode.
Then the dream recurred, and I woke myself out of it.
Then again. Then again.

7 times, I awoke through the night, each time inciting my wife, who, although she is mostly an angel, she's a beast when her sleep is disturbed.

Of course I just told her I cant get that out of my mind, and i am sorry.

But here goes. 2 Thessalonians 2:7,8

I hope this helps to end this debate, and show that our Father and our Redeemer mean business.

Praise and exalt Them above all forever!

gideon army · Jan 13, 2010

Almighty's humble servant said:
Peace and enlightenment to all who lays eyes upon this post.

Hi there Almighty Humble 'Servant'

Believe you yourself needs some 'Enlightenment' yourself or you've Missed the following:-

gideon army said:
Ozell before you post anything, read Carefully/Slowly/Properly & FULLY + it'll do you well to check Who wrote it, for whom, & why was it written so that you'll not amaze readers with your 'KNowledge'

Apostle Paul's Epistles in Thessalonians 1 & 2 was written to the Early Thesalonians Church- wow Great Revelations, I know it's DEEP

Little wonder that boy is the way he is now with people like you Servant

Matt 15:14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."

Hi servant, above story also recorded in Luke 6:39, do you know why I've chosen to take from Gospel of Matthew Instead in Addressing you? Please check it out & if you can't discern then I'll be equally in replying your post from now onwards like how I'm SHY addressing Ozell

Then again servant it No wonder that you are what you are for it's been Prophesied in

Hsa 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

Almighty's humble servant said:
While reflecting upon this "blanket of grace" which most every apostate church I have been to preaches, I prayed for enlightenment or vision regarding this socalled blanket.

Don't you know 'servant' that Grace is our LORD Christ Himself?

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yo servant, can't you contrast that with the Laws? It was given (impersonal like how one deals with a servant which Old Testaments terms the believers but New Testament terms the Believers as SONS ) but GRACE came in the Manifestation of Christ Himself to dwell among us

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, [but] grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Told you so However believe you've missed that

Then guess Servant this would be too deep for you then?

Matt 23:17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

Hope this will not be referring to you?

Pro 26:11 As a dog returns to his own vomit, [So] a fool repeats his folly.

Known quite a few & 1 or 2 kept persisting in posting when they've not a clue what's all about when quoting

ozell · Jan 14, 2010

Almighty's humble servant said:
Peace and enlightenment to all who lays eyes upon this post.

My dearest brother ozell,

Indeed you have been steadfast in your charge, and our ALmighty Father, and His Beloved Son, our Christ Jesus, has given notice of it.

I have recently been delving into the "blanket of grace", as I have as fellows, a few who on Sunday, during worship showed a form of repentence, but on Monday, have fallen fast away. We all know these types.

One of which, is a boy of 22, who I have been mentoring, as his dad was hard into the drugs, and was found dead in a motel room, with a needle in his arm, and a bottle of rotgut in his other hand when the boy was just 13.

It just happens that I moved next door to him a week before this catastrophe.
The boy is in the church, from time to time, and even comes to worship with me at my home, but indeed, the sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons.
I pray in earnest he will release himself from the sinful nature that surrounds him, but I make no condemnation of him, as I, like yourself was raised in chicago, gage park, and was a gangster for many years.

Anyway, this boy, I feel, i am charged with keeping. And all he remarks to me is "I know", and "Im sorry", "I try", and all things we do when we fall.

While reflecting upon this "blanket of grace" which most every apostate church I have been to preaches, I prayed for enlightenment or vision regarding this socalled blanket.

This is what my dream was.

A white translucent finger pointed at a scripture. And the unrecognizable and unidentified voice said " Second Thessalonians 2, verse 7 and 8.
Then I awoke to use the commode.
Then the dream recurred, and I woke myself out of it.
Then again. Then again.

7 times, I awoke through the night, each time inciting my wife, who, although she is mostly an angel, she's a beast when her sleep is disturbed.

Of course I just told her I cant get that out of my mind, and i am sorry.

But here goes. 2 Thessalonians 2:7,8

I hope this helps to end this debate, and show that our Father and our Redeemer mean business.

Praise and exalt Them above all forever!

what debate? who's debating? I will leave you with the writings of Peter.

most don't know we have to cotinue to grow in grace and in Jesus knowledge, did you know this? again what debate?

we have those who disagree because of a lack of knowledge and we have those who agree because they understand that Jesus blood is grace and his blood replaced only the laws of sacrifice.

what debate?

2Pt 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

continue to learn about grace and knowledge of Jesus.

Jesus blood is the grace the free gift he gave us!!!

ozell · Jan 14, 2010

gideon army said:
Ozell, unfortunately this would be the last time i'll be addressing you directly for you never fail to Amaze me nor the Readers here your DEPTH/ Breadth/ Width regarding the Scriptures till i'm SHY replying you

Why? Using Our LORD Christ Jesus words : Now learn this parable

Pro 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Pro 29:9 [If] a wise man contends with a foolish man, Whether [the fool] rages or laughs, [there is] no peace.

Ecc 10:3 Even when a fool walks along the way, He lacks wisdom, And he shows everyone [that] he [is] a fool.

Don't you know that the Book of Daniel Chapter 9:26 refers to the Desolations as Reiterated By Jesus?

Matt 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,'spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Read & check it out yourself at your Leisurely pace from above till Matt 24:22 Christ was talking about the Jewish Temple being demolished & their nation trampled by Gentiles It's repeated in Mark 13:14-20 that's if you're still confused Now you know why Christ Said in last part of Matt 24:15?

As for Matt 24:23 to Matt 24:31, Christ is speaking about our era

Ozell before you post anything, read Carefully/Slowly/Properly & FULLY + it'll do you well to check Who wrote it, for whom, & why was it written so that you'll not amaze readers with your 'KNowledge'

I think most of us understand? I know I DO.

This is what you do gideon?

Jms 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

you still have not answered my questions, so I will take it as you don't know.

carry on brother!!!

ozell · Jan 14, 2010

who is the Mesisah of this bible and book?

who is the Messiah and when was he cut off?

Did the Messiah die for the sins of the pople or for himself?

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

when did Jesus call the sacrifce and the oblations to cease?

Dan 9v27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

when Jesus died on the cross did he put a end to sin?
can the Anti-christ or satan put a end of sin?
why would they?

24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy

Zeena · Jan 14, 2010

gideon army said:
Are you a Pharisees or Scribe Ozell? All men including Believers Continually SINS, are you any different?

THAT is the most DISUSTING thing I have ever heard!

God is NOT mocked, that which you so you shall also reap.

GL with that!

Light hearted · Jan 14, 2010

Zeena said:
THAT is the most DISUSTING thing I have ever heard!

God is NOT mocked, that which you so you shall also reap.

GL with that!

Just curious.. which part do you find disusting?

The Pharisees/ Scribe part?

The realization that all men including believers continually sin?

Or asking if Ozell is different?

Zeena · Jan 14, 2010

Light hearted said:
Just curious.. which part do you find disusting?

The Pharisees/ Scribe part?

The realization that all men including believers continually sin?

Or asking if Ozell is different?

*emphasis added*

It's not a 'realization', it's an abomination!

"Should we take the members of Christ's and unite them to the harlot"?
"Is Christ now the Minister of sin"?

"If you died to sin, how can you live in it any longer"
"Those who are born of God do not sin, for God's seed remains in them"
"Be not decieved, he who DOES what is righteous IS righteous, even as He is Righteous"
"God is not mocked, what you sow you shall also reap"
"To those who through DOING GOOD seek glory and honour, eternal Life"
"But to those who are contentious..." BEWARE!

Light hearted · Jan 14, 2010

Zeena said:
*emphasis added*

It's not a 'realization', it's an abomination!

"Should we take the members of Christ's and unite them to the harlot"?
"Is Christ now the Minister of sin"?

"If you died to sin, how can you live in it any longer"
"Those who are born of God do not sin, for God's seed remains in them"
"Be not decieved, he who DOES what is righteous IS righteous, even as He is Righteous"
"God is not mocked, what you sow you shall also reap"
"To those who through DOING GOOD seek glory and honour, eternal Life"
"But to those who are contentious..." BEWARE!

Ok, thanks Zeena, I agree with you, this is where this topic has taken many different turns.

I believe as mentioned in Galatians 3 that I find righteuosness (correct by divine declaration) through my faith. Not by my works as would be by the law. If by my works, I may then boast of my works of which makes me righteous in my own eyes. If righteousness is do to my faith I then boast in the Lord.

I can say without a doubt I still sin (fall short of God's perfect standard), can anyone here actually say they NEVER fall short of God's perfect standard, never had a imorral thought, been impatient, never walked by someone who needed help, didn't minister the gospel to a non-believer, didn't undress someone with their eyes, didn't say a curse work, if so, let him or her be the first to throw a stone.

So by faith I am seen as righteous in God's eyes, if by works I am a failure for I have eaten pork.

Thank God for the work of Jesus Christ, whose work is more complete than my works could ever achieve. His one sacrifice is complete, where those under the law had to continually make sacrifices, the law never brought anyone to righteousness.

How much more complete is the sacrifice of the one and only Son of the one true God? How much more is the sacrifice of the Son of God than all the animals in the world?

This faith and grace goes without saying that it is for those true believers of whom God had chosen and has entrusted to Jesus.

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