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What it means to be a Christian/New Age Spiritualist....

JesseB.

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I have heard so many Christian leaders criticize the New Age movement by saying it is S*t*nic & evil when in truth, it is enlightenment. This was taken from ReligiousTolerance.org:

Introduction:
The New Age Movement is in a class by itself. Unlike most formal religions, it has no holy text, central organization, membership, formal clergy, geographic center, dogma, creed, etc. They often use mutually exclusive definitions for some of their terms. The New Age is in fact a free-flowing spiritual movement; a network of believers and practitioners who share somewhat similar beliefs and practices, which they add on to whichever formal religion that they follow. Their book publishers take the place of a central organization; seminars, conventions, books and informal groups replace of sermons and religious services.

Quoting John Naisbitt:

"In turbulent times, in times of great change, people head for the two extremes: fundamentalism and , piritual experience...With no membership lists or even a coherent philosophy or dogma, it is difficult to define or measure the unorganized New Age movement. But in every major U.S. and European city, thousands who seek insight and personal growth cluster around a metaphysical bookstore, a spiritual teacher, or an education center." 1

The New Age is definitely a heterogeneous movement of individuals; most graft some new age beliefs onto their regular religious affiliation. Recent surveys of US polls indicate that many Americans hold at least some new age beliefs:

8% believe in astrology as a way of foretelling the future

7% believe that crystals are a source of healing or energizing power

9% believe that Tarot Cards are a reliable base for life decisions
about 1 in 4 believe in a non-traditional concept of the nature of God which are often associated with New Age thinking:

11% believe that God is "a state of higher consciousness that a person may reach"

8% define God as "the total realization of personal, human potential"

3% believe that each person is God.



The group of surveys cited above classify religious beliefs into 7 faith groups. 2 Starting with the largest, they are: Cultural (Christmas & Easter) Christianity, Conventional Christianity, New Age Practitioner, Biblical (Fundamentalist, Evangelical) Christianity, Atheist/Agnostic, Other, and Jewish, A longitudinal study from 1991 to 1995 shows that New Agers represent a steady 20% of the population, and are consistently the third largest religious group. 2

New Age teachings became popular during the 1970's as a reaction against what some perceived as the failure of Christianity and the failure of Secular Humanism to provide spiritual and ethical guidance for the future. Its roots are traceable to many sources: Astrology, Channeling, Hinduism, Gnostic traditions, , Spiritualism, Taosim, Theosophy, Wicca and other Neo-pagan traditions, etc. The movement started in England in the 1960's where many of these elements were well established. Small groups, such as the Findhorn Community in Inverness and the Wrekin Trust formed. The movement quickly became international. Early New Age mileposts in North America were a "New Age Seminar" ran by the Association for Research and Enlightenment, and the establishment of the East-West Journal in 1971. Actress Shirley MacLaine is perhaps their most famous current figure.

During the 1980's and 90's, the movement came under criticism from a variety of groups. Channeling was ridiculed; seminar and group leaders were criticized for the fortunes that they made from New Agers. Their uncritical belief in the "scientific" properties of crystals was exposed as groundless. But the movement has become established and become a stable, major force in North American religion during the past generation. As the millennium comes to a close, the New Age is expected to expand, promoted by the social backlash against logic and science.



The "New Age" that does not exist:
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Major confusion about the New Age has been generated by academics, counter-cult groups, Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians and traditional Muslim groups, etc. Some examples are:

Many of the above groups have dismissed Tasawwuf (Sufiism) as a New Age cult. In reality, Sufiism has historically been an established mystical movement within Islam, which has always existing in a state of tension with the more legalistic divisions within Islam. It has no connection with the New Age. Some conservative Christians believe that a massive, underground, highly coordinated New Age organization exists that is infiltrating government, media, schools and churches. No such entity exists.

Some conservative Christians do not differentiate among the Occult, Satanism, Wicca, other Neopagan religions. Many seem to regard all as forms of Satanism who perform horrendous criminal acts on children. Others view The New Age, Neopagan religions, Tarot card reading, rune readings, channeling, work with crystal energy, etc. as merely recruiting programs for Satanism. In fact, the Occult, Satanism, Neo-pagan religions are very different phenomena, and essentially unrelated. Dr. Carl Raschke, professor of Religious Studies at the University of Denver describes New Age practices as the spiritual version of AIDS; it destroys the ability of people to cope and function." He describes it as "essentially, the marketing end of the political packaging of occultism...a breeding ground for a new American form of m."



New Age beliefs:
A number of fundamental beliefs are held my many New Age followers; individuals are encouraged to "shop" for the beliefs and practices that they feel most comfortable with:

Monism: All that exists is derived from a single source of divine energy.

Pantheism: All that exists is God; God is all that exists. This leads naturally to the concept of the divinity of the individual, that we are all Gods. They do not seek God as revealed in a sacred text or as exists in a remote heaven; they seek God within the self and throughout the entire universe.

Reincarnation: After the person dies, we are reborn and live another life as a human. This cycle repeats itself many times. This belief is similar to the concept of transmigration of the soul in Hinduism.

Karma: The good and bad deeds that we do adds and subtracts from our accumulated record, our karma. At the end of our life, we are rewarded or punished according to our karma by being reincarnated into either a painful or good new life. This belief is linked to that of reincarnation and is also derived from Hinduism

An Aura is believed to be an energy field radiated by the body. Invisible to most people, it can be detected by some as a shimmering, multi-colored field surrounding the body. Those skilled in detecting and interpreting auras can diagnose an individual's state of mind, and their spiritual and physical health.

Personal Transformation A profoundly intense mystical experience will lead to the acceptance and use of New Age beliefs and practices. Guided imagery, hypnosis, meditation, and (sometimes) the use of hallucinogenic are useful to bring about and enhance this transformation. Believers hope to develop new potentials within themselves: the ability to heal oneself and others, psychic powers, a new understanding of the workings of the universe, etc. Later, when sufficient numbers of people have achieved these powers, a major spiritual, physical, psychological and cultural planet-wide transformation is expected.

Ecological Responsibility: A belief in the importance of uniting to preserve the health of the earth, which is often looked upon as Gaia, (Mother Earth) a living entity.

Universal Religion: Since all is God, then only one reality exists, and all religions are simply different paths to that ultimate reality. The universal religion can be visualized as a mountain, with many sadhanas (spiritual paths) to the summit. Some are hard; others easy. There is no one correct path. All paths eventually reach the top. They anticipate that a new universal religion which contains elements of all current faiths will evolve and become generally accepted worldwide.

New World Order-As the Age of Aquarius unfolds, a New Age will develop. This will be a utopia in which there is world government, and end to wars, disease, hunger, pollution, and poverty. Gender, racial, religious and other forms of discrimination will cease. People's allegiance to their tribe or nation will be replaced by a concern for the entire world and its people.

The Age of Aquarius is a reference to the precession of the zodiac. The earth passes into a new sign of the zodiac approximately every 2,000 years. Some believe that the earth entered the constellation Aquarius in the 19th Century, so that the present era is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Others believe that it will occur at the end of the 20th century. It is interesting to note that the previous constellation changes were:

from Aries to Pisces the fish circa 1st century CE. This happened at a time when Christianity was an emerging religion, and many individuals changed from animal sacrifice in the Jewish temple to embracing the teachings of Christianity. The church's prime symbol at the time was the fish.

from Taurus to Aries the ram circa 2,000 BCE. This happened at a time when the Jews engaged in widespread ritual sacrifice of sheep and other animals in the Temple. from Gemini to Taurus the bull circa 4,000 BCE. During that sign, worshiping of the golden calf was common in the Middle East.

New Age practices:

Many practices are found among New Agers. A typical practitioner is active in only a few areas:

Channeling-A form similar to that used by Spiritists in which a spirit of a long individual is conjured up. However, while Spiritists generally believe that one's soul remains relatively unchanged after we die most channelers believe that the soul evolves to higher planes of existence. Chanelers usually try to make contact with a single, spiritually evolved being. That being's consciousness is channeled through the medium and relays guidance and information to the group, through the use of the medium's voice. Channeling has existed since the 1850's and many groups consider themselves independent of the New Age movement. Perhaps the most famous channeling event is the popular A Course in Miracles. It was channeled through a Columbia University psychologist, Dr. Helen Schucman, (1909-1981), over an 8 year period. She was an Atheist, and in no way regarded herself as a New Age believer. However, she took great care in recording accurately the words that she received.

Crystals Crystals-are materials which has its molecules arranged in a specific, highly ordered internal pattern. This pattern is reflected in the crystal's external structure which typically has symmetrical planar surfaces. Many common substances, from salt to sugar, from diamonds to quartz form crystals. They can be shaped so that they will vibrate at a specific frequency and are widely used in radio communications and computing devices. New Agers believe that crystals posses healing energy.

Meditating-A process of blanking out the mind and releasing oneself from conscious thinking. This is often aided by repetitive chanting of a mantra, or focusing on an object.

New Age Music-A gentle, melodic, inspirational music form involving the human voice, harp, lute, flute, etc. It is used as an aid in healing, massage therapy and general relaxation.

Divination-The use of various techniques to foretell the future, including I Ching, Pendulum movements, Runes, Scrying, Tarot Cards.

Astrology-The belief that the orientation of the planets at the time of one's birth, and the location of that birth predicts the individual's future and personality. Belief in astrology is common amongst New Agers, but definitely not limited to them.

Holistic Health-This is a collection of healing techniques which have diverged from the traditional medical healing. It attempts to cure disorders in mind, body and spirit and to promote wholeness and balance in the individual. Examples are acupuncture, crystal healing, homeopathy, iridology, massage, various meditation m*thods, polarity therapy, psychic healing, therapeutic touch, reflexology, etc.

Human Potential Movement-(a.k.a. Emotional Growth Movement) This is a collection of therapeutic m*thods involving both individualized and group working, using both mental and physical techniques. The goal is to help individuals to advance spiritually. Examples are Esalen Growth Center programs, EST, Gestalt Therapy, Primal Scream Therapy, Transactional Analysis, Transcendental Meditation and Yoga.

The Canadian Census (1991) recorded only 1,200 people (0.005% of the total Canadian population) who identify their religion as being New Age. However, this in no way indicates the influence of new age ideas in the country. Many people identify with Christianity and other religions, but incorporate many new age concepts into their faith.


*PLEASE NOTE:

I DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES LOOK TO THE STARS TO TRY AND FIND THE FUTURE, NOR DO I DO DIVINATION. I DO BELIEVE IN A MOTHER EARTH, I MEDITATE, AND I DO ALL THAT'S LEFT ON THE BELIEF SYSTEM ABOVE. I ALSO LISTEN TO NEW AGE MUSIC.

Now that we've defined what the New Age movement followers believe, etc., let me tell you what it means for me to be a Christian/New Age Spiritualist:

For me, being a Christian/New Age Spiritualist means turning away from contemporary Christian culture. For example, I only read books by Max Lucado, K.P. Yohannan, & anything the BGEA offers each month for free. Other than that, I do not read Christian books. Nor do I listen to Christian music. Some Conservative Christians may not like this idea, but I try to find myself in other ways besides Christiainity. I do not doubt the authority and existance of God the Father, & His Son Jesus Christ. (See John 3:16).

One might say that I am looking in things I shouldn't be looking into. I disagree. Part of what makes us Christian is that we must have a deeper understanding of world views and religions. I am proud to be what I am. In fact, I feel that I am on a higher spiritual level than most Christians. My belief is there are 4 Christian spiritual levels:

1-The Conservion (this happens when an unbeliever becomes a Christian)

2-Being a Jesus Freak (this happens when the newborn Christian reads Christian books, prays without ceasing, listens to some form of Christian music, goes to Church, etc.) *I feel this is where the main percentage of the Christian population in the world is right now. My prayer is that they will get to level 4 soon. Only then can we fulfill the Great Commission.*

3-Looking for higher spiritual enrichment (this happens when the Christian looks to other ways to get in touch with Christ Jesus & God the Father. E.G. doing what I am doing)

4-Ultimate Spirituality (when the Christian finds listening to CCM, etc. no longer appeals to him/her. This is when the Christian realizes that to get in touch with Christ & God we must get in tune with Nature. Once this happens, Satan is afraid of the person more than when he was a Christian. With this being said, Satan does not tempt the person because he cannot come near him or her.)

*I am in the 4th & final level of Christian Spirituality.*




Thoughts anyone?? :bow: :pray: :holy:



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JesseB. said:
Hello.....

Thoughts anyone?? :bow: :pray: :holy:

Just a couple.
Did Jesus die for our sins, and did God raise him from the dead?

Is Jesus Lord and Christ of all for all time?
 
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4-Ultimate Spirituality (when the Christian finds that reading God's Holy Word, listening to CCM, etc. no longer appeals to him/her. This is when the Christian realizes that to get in touch with Christ & God we must get in tune with Nature. Once this happens, Satan is afraid of the person more than when he was a Christian. With this being said, Satan does not tempt the person because he cannot come near him or her.)


Just out of curiosity, where did you get this completely unBiblical concept?
 
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JesseB.

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A lot of the New Age beliefs come from different levels of spirituallity. I got that "UnBiblical" concept from personal investigation of New Age "religious" beliefs, personal prayer to Christ, the support of the Creator (god) & through many days of praying to receive wisdom in this area. Now with this being said, one might say that I need some form of "proof"

O.K. You want proof to back up my statements? Here you go. Here's my testimony of what happened. ALL of it is true, I swear & I promise you:

The moment I received what the Apostle John called a "Vision From Heaven" during intense prayer to Christ Jesus my LORD & Saviour, I was shocked. Who wouldn't be when they hear the LORD's voice? The Psalm I was praying....YES I SAID PSALM!, was Psalm 32:8. "I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye". It was a prayer for guidance. Now at the time, I did not intend nor wish to see Christ Jesus. Strangely though, I did. Please take note that my eyes were shut the whole time, as it is a custom for my prayer sessions that I have.

My mind was taken someplace...at the time I couldn't figure out where it was. It was a place of sheer beauty. A forest perhaps. Who knows? Well, anywhou, I was in that...place...meditating on Pslam 32:8. Wondering how I could apply that Psalm to my life & how Christ could use me. Suddely, someone stepped into my "place". He was a shepard, and at the time, I paid the visitor no heed. I was too busy praying. I was not chanting a mantra, or speaking blasphemy. No, I was just doing what we Christians are commanded to do that is written in 1 Thessolonians 5:17 "Pray Without Ceasing". Suddenly the shepard said a familiar saying which I concluded to be from John 14:27:

"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." When the Shepard spoke that verse, I looked at him and realized, like Peter did during the storm when they thought Christ was a ghost, I said "LORD!" Then Christ told me the following:


"Jesse, I am well pleased with you. For the first time in your whole spiritual life, you are no longer a spiritual baby. You have tasted the bread of life that cometh from me and you want more of it daily. You are my messenger. You must tell this to my disciples so that they too may experience this giant step of faith. There ar 4 Christian spiritual levels and they are:

1-The Conservion (this happens when an unbeliever becomes a Christian)

2-Being a Jesus Freak (this happens when the newborn Christian reads Christian books, prays without ceasing, listens to some form of Christian music, goes to Church, etc.) *I feel this is where the main percentage of the Christian population in the world is right now. My prayer is that they will get to level 4 soon. Only then can we fulfill the Great Commission.* PLEASE TAKE NOTE CHRIST SAID THIS NOT ME!

3-Looking for higher spiritual enrichment (this happens when the Christian looks to other ways to get in touch with Christ Jesus & God the Father. E.G. doing what I am doing)

4-Ultimate Spirituality (when the Christian finds that listening to CCM, etc. no longer appeals to him/her. This is when the Christian realizes that to get in touch with Christ & God we must get in tune with Nature. Once this happens, Satan is afraid of the person more than when he was a Christian. With this being said, Satan does not tempt the person because he cannot come near him or her.)

then He said:


Jesse, no matter what the Christians on ChristianForums.com try to tell you, you are my disciple and with you I am well pleased. Remember that always, for I died for you and in your place."

Then, I was transported back to my bedroom.


This is a 100% true testimony of what happened to me. There's your proof. Christ said it, I don't deny it.


P.S.--Notice I edited both posts. I STILL read God's Word!
 
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