What Is Your View Of The End Times..?

[bniffty24]

Do you believe that your looking at a modern sophisticated society with AI control grids with high tech surveillance and all the rest of that type of thing , where people are living good lives , or do you believe your looking at a Mad Max scenario where the world has gone mad bad and ugly , where war , starvation , epidemics , earthquakes have become the norm..?

Or other..?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Do you believe that your looking at a modern sophisticated society with AI control grids with high tech surveillance and all the rest of that type of thing , where people are living good lives , or do you believe your looking at a Mad Max scenario where the world has gone mad bad and ugly , where war , starvation , epidemics , earthquakes have become the norm..?

Or other..?

"Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one--the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts,...Your affectionate uncle, Screwtape."

― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

--- George Lucas, THX-1138

 

[Hazelelponi]

Do you believe that your looking at a modern sophisticated society with AI control grids with high tech surveillance and all the rest of that type of thing , where people are living good lives , or do you believe your looking at a Mad Max scenario where the world has gone mad bad and ugly , where war , starvation , epidemics , earthquakes have become the norm..?

Or other..?

My eschatology is what is called Amillennial (which means I believe the millennium is describing the entire New Covenant era) which we are now in.

I clearly I have a more spiritualized, interpretation of prophecy, no Mad Max.

I do believe we can see that the world will undergo changes in the positive to a certain peak of Christian advancement if you will, and then go into decline, a steep decline at one point and then Jesus comes back.

That's a broad overview... But Jesus can always come back tomorrow, or still tarry longer .. We have to be ready, whether He comes tomorrow or not.

That's more frightening than Mad Max... Unless you're in Christ.

 

[RandyPNW]

Do you believe that your looking at a modern sophisticated society with AI control grids with high tech surveillance and all the rest of that type of thing , where people are living good lives , or do you believe your looking at a Mad Max scenario where the world has gone mad bad and ugly , where war , starvation , epidemics , earthquakes have become the norm..?

Or other..?

Israel was the OT pattern of a nation serving God and then progressively falling from grace. We now have a European-spawned Christianity in the world spreading out to all parts, but gradually withdrawing and returning to paganism. We will see the same thing as happened to Israel, a great collapse of "Christian Civilization" as it becomes an Antichristian Civilization. And the result will be great judgment from God.

Recently in the US we've seen a remarkable downturn in spirituality revealing all kinds of wickedness. With the return of Trump there seems to be a limited restoration of Christian values. But for how long?

Eventually, I think the US will join European degradation of Christian values until both Eastern and Western Christianity will collapse and become Antichristian. It will not be blessed of God, but the apocalyptic judgments will largely take place at the very end of the age, with the Battle of Armageddon and the Return of Christ. This will be, I think, a rebellion against Antichrist's dominance, leading to a world war, a nuclear war. It will probably be over in an hour with devastating results.

 

[Freth]

In your Max Mad scenario, you listed the very things Jesus did in Matthew 24.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?​

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Matthew 24:6-8 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.​

Even Peter's description of scoffers in the last days (2 Peter 3:1-7) is accurate.

I believe wholeheartedly, based on end time prophecy of the Bible, that we are living in the end time. Specifically, the very last days. The state of society and the world matches the prophetic descriptions.

 

[bniffty24]

Recently in the US we've seen a remarkable downturn in spirituality revealing all kinds of wickedness. With the return of Trump there seems to be a limited restoration of Christian values. But for how long?

The people in the freedom movement believe these changes Trump is making will be with us for generations to come , unfortunately they don't seem to know about bible prophecy , so I think the same as you , "but for how long?"

 

[Douggg]

We are living in the end times. The latter days, latter years, when the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 will take place.

Here are three charts that apply. Beginning with the first chart of the arch-villain of the end times 5 stages. Then a chart showing the end times of what follows the Gog/Magog event. Then a chart that shows the timeline of the last 7 years of events that precede Jesus's return.

 

[bniffty24]

This is clearly uninformed.

There's literally every single faith background of person behind Trump, everything from the Catholic and Reformed Amillennials to the Charismatic dispensationalists and everything inbetween.

How someone votes, in a diverse nation of 350 million people, is not going to be some homogeneous thing - especially when considering something as non homogeneous as one's eschatology, a topic most people have devoted almost no real study to.

It's only your opinion that "they" don't know eschatology, God's opinion might differ but "they" don't have the same faith backgrounds, let alone the same eschatological backgrounds.

Those people who voted for Trump just want a better government, no one is running around trying for some apocalyptic utopia, at least not on the right side of the aisle. Maybe if the left cared more about actually governing we could all get back to sanity. Instead it seems many are jumping off proverbial cliffs while we try and be good stewards of the gifts we were given.

Sorry Hazeleponi I was meaning outside of the USA , like here in OZ.
Their good well meaning people and understand the good work that Trump is doing , their just not very religious.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sorry Hazeleponi I was meaning outside of the USA , like here in OZ.
Their good well meaning people and understand the good work that Trump is doing , their just not very religious.

I'm sorry, I took you wrong... The stress of the political has been higher lately and I'm more upset and on edge here these past few days. I am just needing a break from politics for a minute. Please forgive me.

I see now what your saying. Yes I agree, no religion is a bit of a problem, faith is in decline and it's really showing socially in all of our countries.

It's been absolutely dramatic changes here just in the last 15 years, I really don't know what we do about that

It does seem though to be a hopeful sign of a revival going on at the same time though, it's like the harder things are getting the more people are getting back to faith so I just keep trying to remind of that too .. time to leave Babylon...

I'm just part of that revival, God is definitely with us... We just have to be better stewards of what have, so we can continue to bless others in their needs.

God bless you.

 

[bniffty24]

I'm sorry, I took you wrong... The stress of the political has been higher lately and I'm more upset and on edge here these past few days. I am just needing a break from politics for a minute. Please forgive me.

No probs all is good. Think we all need a break from politics at times.

 

[timothyu]

The world ahs always acted in the ways of today. The difference today is that it is no longer dictators, emperors, churches, warlords or military trying to rule the world, but a business conglomerate called Corporatism that has been building slowly for a century and a half. This too has even splintered into two factions as is evident in the last month and are presently at war within for control.

But either way, this is also the first time in history man has the ability thanks to 1's and 0's to control not only buying and selling by individuals, but also to monitor and control each person separately. Armies are only for profitable wars now. The churches are no longer needed to control the masses. A handful have set up a new global government, the perfect platform in this newest attempt to put man's will ahead of God's, another typical anti-Christ situation as it serves the world we have made in our own image, and not the will of God. Whether this one is successful or not, only time will tell. However each surpasses the last so it is only a matter of time before absolute oppression rules mankind.

 

[Richard T]

I am a pre-tribulation rapture believer. When the church is raptured, the Jews and Israel will be God's focus and fulfillment of the last week (7 years) of Daniels prophecy. While sometimes others think rapture believers are less prepared, we do realize Jesus could come at anytime. We realize too that the even before the rapture times will be rather difficult. I will say too that if this end time belief is wrong, then we should still be prepared to serve God through whatever scenario we find ourselves in.

 

[RandyPNW]

I am a pre-tribulation rapture believer. When the church is raptured, the Jews and Israel will be God's focus and fulfillment of the last week (7 years) of Daniels prophecy. While sometimes others think rapture believers are less prepared, we do realize Jesus could come at anytime. We realize too that the even before the rapture times will be rather difficult. I will say too that if this end time belief is wrong, then we should still be prepared to serve God through whatever scenario we find ourselves in.

I am Post-Trib, but we agree on the preparation. Pretribbers focus on the need to be ready, thinking Christ could come "at any time, on any day." Postribbers focus on the need to be ready, just because we're supposed to be faithful as Christians every day of our lives.

There is a moral imperative to be faithful as Christians every day of our lives from either point of view. We must live as Christians and not let any day be wasted as servants of God.

So we are all agreed--we must always be ready.

 

[timothyu]

End times? I am going to die in some way or another. That's it. My time of prep is over. The end of the age will happen regardless and really has nothing to do with us. That is God's thing. It's always been about Him and not us. His plan is greater than we. We however can join Him or rebel against Him as He rectifies adversarial ways. At present especially, we seem to prefer adversarial ways, siding over who gets to rule this world rather than choosing the Kingdom over this place we call home.

 

[RandyPNW]

End times? I am going to die in some way or another. That's it. My time of prep is over. The end of the age will happen regardless and really has nothing to do with us. That is God's thing. It's always been about Him and not us. His plan is greater than we. We however can join Him or rebel against Him as He rectifies adversarial ways. At present especially, we seem to prefer adversarial ways, siding over who gets to rule this world rather than choosing the Kingdom over this place we call home.

You seem a little too resigned to your fate. We are given endtimes info not because it won't help us but because it will. Warning us about the troubles ahead inform us that God will not be taken by surprise--it will somehow all fit into His Master Plan.

Letting us know that we should expect some tough times helps us prepare for the worst. Letting us know about coming deceptions prepares us to avoid them. Endtimes info is a guard against our becoming slothful or slack in making preparations for the Kingdom every day, and not waste a single day. It's good for us, and not a cause for resignation and defeat.

I guess I'm wondering what you mean by saying that the time for preparation is "over?" I think every day we live in Christ helps us to grow spiritually. Or, am I misunderstanding you?

 

[timothyu]

Warning us about the troubles ahead inform us that God will not be taken by surprise

Yes but we already have a book full of examples of troubles created by not putting His will first. The end will be no different. We should focus on ourselves in the here and now and follow his two commandments if we seek salvation, as a moment from now may be our last breath. The rest will play out as intended.

 

[timothyu]

I guess I'm wondering what you mean by saying that the time for preparation is "over?" I think every day we live in Christ helps us to grow spiritually. Or, am I misunderstanding you?

It's over when we die. No more chances to repent of and transcend the self serving world of mankind we have made in our own image. No more chances to do for others the same things we want God to do for us. Lord lord.

 

[DragonFox91]

I don't know all the lingo, but I believe the world will get really bad, it gets worse over time, not better, although it is true it has always been terrible in sin, a lot of Revelation is meant to be literal & hasn't happened yet, & God will pour out his wrath on the unrepentant, & then a new heaven & a new earth will be created for him & the saints. I don't know when that will all be tho other than soon.

I reject any 'we will make heaven on earth' teaching or 'it's all just symbolism & no one really knows anything about it.'