What is your view of Christmas...

Gavriella · Jul 31, 2012

Do you feel it is wrong? Just curious no bashing intended.

MessianicMommy · Jul 31, 2012

ChavaK · Jul 31, 2012

I obviously don't celebrate it, but I don't see an issue with people that do.
What is your view?

JRSut1000 · Jul 31, 2012

We dont celebrate it in our home.

yedida · Jul 31, 2012

Gavriella said:
Do you feel it is wrong? Just curious no bashing intended.

We don't celebrate it in my home either. And, yes, the way most people celebrate it is wrong - decorated trees, flying reindeer, little old man in a red suit, going into debt buying things for people you don't give a second thought to the rest of the year, drinking parties - oh yes, wrong. For those who simply choose to use the day to celebrate the fact that their Savior did indeed come to this earth, not a thing wrong in that, it's just all the other trappings. I feel the same about easter; don't celebrate that one either.

xDenax · Jul 31, 2012

The obscene consumerism and greed is wrong but other than that, no, I don't think it's immoral or unethical.

anisavta · Jul 31, 2012

We don't celebrate it in our home.

Lulav · Jul 31, 2012

Gavriella said:
Do you feel it is wrong? Just curious no bashing intended.

Hi!

I'm just wondering since you are new to CF, who you are asking this question to? Also what do you mean by 'wrong'?

ChavaK · Jul 31, 2012

xDenax said:
The obscene consumerism and greed is wrong

Unfortunately that happens with a lot of holidays.

xDenax · Jul 31, 2012

I'm surprised you guys are answering with "we don't celebrate it in our home" when that was not the question.

ChavaK · Jul 31, 2012

xDenax said:
I'm surprised you guys are answering with "we don't celebrate it in our home" when that was not the question.

Well, I guess that would indicate that they don't think it's proper to
celebrate it

aniello · Jul 31, 2012

xDenax said:
I'm surprised you guys are answering with "we don't celebrate it in our home" when that was not the question.

Not directly answering the question is part of the "surprize".

We don't celebrate it in our home either.

We like to get together with our friends from our shul, the Katz's, who own a thriving toy factory. Due do their innovative toys and good marketing they exerience ever increasing profits at Xmas time year after year.

We gather outside the security fence at the toy factory at ten minutes before midnight on Xmas eve, the exterior lights are trained on the factory, we light our candles, join hands and sing; "What a friend we have in Jesus, Now we're in the black, our stuff is selling good at Macy's, stuff is flying off the rack", and so on.

It's a surprize what a blessing Xmas is to the informed, wise Jewish Community members in these here parts.

anisavta · Jul 31, 2012

ChavaK said:
Well, I guess that would indicate that they don't think it's proper to
celebrate it

Yup.
This subject has been recycled so many times it should be a sticky.

yedida · Jul 31, 2012

xDenax said:
I'm surprised you guys are answering with "we don't celebrate it in our home" when that was not the question.

But it sure answers the question.

visionary · Jul 31, 2012

What do I think of Christmas.. another commercial holiday celebrated by most people.. But it is and has no relationship to anything found in scripture.

xDenax · Jul 31, 2012

yedida said:
But it sure answers the question.

Well..okay? I don't watch footbal but do I think it's immoral? No. To say you don't do something doesn't give me a clear indication of whether you think it's wrong or right. It may not give the OP a clear picture either. My guess would be she's asking because she is not familiar with Messianic Judaism and is trying to get a feel for what you guys believe.

anisavta · Aug 1, 2012

Are ya tryin' to stir the pot Dena? We who have answered the question - have answered the question. Until our OP poster responds by asking us why, then we feel we've given the answer we want to give. Sheesh!

Treasurer · Aug 1, 2012

In my home growing up we celebrated christmas. When I became an adult I wanted to find out where all these holidays came from and why we celebrate them. No clear answers were ever given. Not until aproximately 3 years ago.

For the first time I found a teaching that told me the truth about these holidays. I was horrified at what I was actually doing. I sure dont want to be one of those referred to in the scriptures:

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Now that I do know where these holidays portrayed as Godly holidays come from, I can say I do see a problem with them. The Torah clearly says: Deut. 12:

29 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

So I have been led astray, worshipping other gods and doing it in the name of my God. YHVH says this is an abomination.

If we want to celebrate Yahshua's B-Day why not do it on the day he was most likely to have been born; during the feast of Tabernacles.

And why not say we are remembering the Resurrection Day. Why say Easter? And why do it on obviously the wrong day?

So yes I see a problem with this.

I am a gentile who wishes to return to the Jewish roots of our adopted faith. To see Yeshua in all of His fulfillments, and future fulfillments of scripture.

Avodat · Aug 1, 2012

visionary said:
What do I think of Christmas.. another commercial holiday celebrated by most people.. But it is and has no relationship to anything found in scripture.

That is certainly what it has become. I do not agree with the second part of what you have written, as it is written.

For billions of people Christmas marks the birth of Yeshua - yes at the wrong time and in the wrong way but...that is what it marks and that birth was a reality and is recorded in Scripture.

I agree that there is no command in Scripture to celebrate Yeshua's birth at any time of the year, but neither is there a command to light candles at Shabbat... but I bet you do! And if you quote the Oral Law to support lighting candles, then people must be able to quote the Christian Oral Law to support the fact of celebrating his birth and death.

The birth of Yeshua was in any case, for the Jews, when ever it was (probably at Tabernacles as already said) - everything G_d does is first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. The Gentile celebration, as it now stands, should not start until January with the Feast of Epiphany when the men came with their presents (when Yeshua was about 2yrs old) and he received them as representatives of the nations.

Best way to solve the problem is for the Jews to take back the birth of Yeshua as their own and to celebrate it at Tabernacles instead of trashing what others do because they don't.

yedida · Aug 1, 2012

Treasurer said:
In my home growing up we celebrated christmas. When I became an adult I wanted to find out where all these holidays came from and why we celebrate them. No clear answers were ever given. Not until aproximately 3 years ago.

For the first time I found a teaching that told me the truth about these holidays. I was horrified at what I was actually doing. I sure dont want to be one of those referred to in the scriptures:

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Now that I do know where these holidays portrayed as Godly holidays come from, I can say I do see a problem with them. The Torah clearly says: Deut. 12:

29 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

So I have been led astray, worshipping other gods and doing it in the name of my God. YHVH says this is an abomination.

If we want to celebrate Yahshua's B-Day why not do it on the day he was most likely to have been born; during the feast of Tabernacles.

And why not say we are remembering the Resurrection Day. Why say Easter? And why do it on obviously the wrong day?

So yes I see a problem with this.

I am a gentile who wishes to return to the Jewish roots of our adopted faith. To see Yeshua in all of His fulfillments, and future fulfillments of scripture.

When you read the whole bible with as few presuppositions as possible, it really does read differently, doesn't it? It says soooo much that no one ever teaches and opens up what/why things were done/said in the NT. I'll never forget that first time, about 8 years ago, I read it through, from beginning to end, reading it as though I'd never heard a thing about it - it was so refreshing. And it was so easy to see how wrongly I'd understood things. For the first time, it came to life and really made sense.

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