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What is wrong with me?

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dayhiker

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This thread to me showes why God has so many different types of churches. God created a variety of people and so they enjoy worshiping God in a vareity of ways.

Of couse the ones who reject God's work in other peoples lives come across as Pharisees. I was there ones.

All I can say to the OP .. keep looking till you hear what the Holy Spirit in you say this is home.

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Actually, I'm kind of anti-church myself. When I go, it feels like I'm being spoon-fed a watered-down, canned sermon of no use to anyone.
I'd much rather study the Bible on my own. There's nothing wrong with YOU. There's everything wrong with American churches. It's all smoke and mirrors. Very little substance. A Bible study is a much more productive way to spend a Sunday Morning.
 
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Liturgical churches include Lutheran, Episcopal and Catholic. a Litirgical service involves a great deal of participation from the congregation as opposed to sitting and watching and listening, other than singing a few songs.

However, if you feel called to teach, you should be teaching now. You can teach Sunday school or start a Bible study group and begin your ministry now.
 
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What's wrong with you? This is your first post. There's not enough info to say there is, if anything. If you truly have spiritual fellowship with the Lord, you have a pretty good idea why you can't find fellowship in the churches you go. If you read John 3 and have truly experienced a spiritual rebirth, then there's nothing wrong with you. I'll leave it at that.

Is the way we do church Biblical? Of course it is. You can read Rev. 2 & 3 for yourself and compare it to the history of New Testament churches.

1. Ephesus - church without Christ
2. Smyna - church without sacrifice
3. Pergamos - paganized
4. Thyatira - corrupt
5. Sardis - spiritually dead
6. Philadelphia - afraid to break tradition
7. Laodicea - stressed out, pitiful, spiritually poor, blind and lacking the righteousness of Christ. The church door is shut so that Christ is unable to enter.

The ones who spent their lives worshiping in these churches did not have the faith to overcome the heresy that each was susceptible to.

I've done the tour, from Eastern Orthodox to Charismatic, Mennonite to Pentecostal, Non-denominational to Salvation Army and have had some time to consider these matters. In fact, that is why I chose the path of study that I did. I wanted to find out what the churches were doing wrong so that I could do it right.

Problem 1: Church replaces Ekklesia

In my studies, I discovered the origin of the word 'church.' It comes from the Greek ekklesia, which means 'a calling out.' Remember reading about John the Baptizer in the NT? He was baptizing people in need of repentance. Do you remember where John did this? Was it in Jerusalem? NO. It was outside the city in the Jordan River.

Ekklesias were first exercised by the Greeks when they found that their city state govts. were becoming too corrupt or oppressive. The citizens would publicly call for an ekklesia (assembly). If enough people came out and refused to accept the govt.'s authority, the government would collapse.

When Jesus preached in Jerusalem, he eventually was rejected and was called out to preach in areas near the Sea of Galilee. People would come out of their towns to greet him and worship him.

What do the churches of today do? What is their ekklesia, their calling out? For Baptists, they usually do an 'altar call' at the end of the service, asking if Jesus has called them out of their sinful lives to walk with the Lord in obedience. If someone comes forward, the pastor and/or elders and deacons will pray with these people and will decide if they are ready for baptism.

While John baptized for repentance, people in church are baptized in the name of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The submerging represents the death of the old person and the emergence represents the new creation, governed by the Holy Spirit. After that happens, (s)he goes back to church the next week and does the same thing (s)he did before the baptism. Do you see the problem?

Church has taken the place of ekklesia. People do not leave the comforts of their community, families, and friends to be baptized. The 'calling out' is more of a 'welcoming in,' meaning that instead of non-conformists making up the assembly, we now have conformists making up the assembly, joining the community, families, and friends. This means that along with the Holy Spirit calling out someone, we also have the peer pressure of the church calling people into it. This leads to people joining the assembly for different reasons; some are baptized into the assembly of God, while others are baptized into the church community, not having the spiritual experience of being "born again."

Eventually what happens in churches is that the born again believers recognize that leaders and several of the congregation are not guided by the Holy Spirit and obey the call of the Holy Spirit to the real ekklesia (calling out), leaving the church to fight over matters of doctrine, their music, the colour of the carpet--worldly concerns.

Though different denominational churches have different methods of initiation and indoctrination, the results are the same. The church in the city or town with the 4 walls is doomed to become too oppressive (legalistic) and/or corrupt because a genuine ekklesia hasn't taken place. We see this happening today with clergy and deacons who become too oppressive or too permissive. These extremes result in either neurotic congregations of mules trying to gallop like horses (i.e. Baptists) or the inclusion of abominations like common-law marriage, idolatry, homosexuality, alcoholism, etc. (United).

Most fights between and within different denominations happen because of theology (vs. sound doctrine/teaching). Do you know who the first recorded theologian in the Bible was? It was the serpent! "Did God really say...?" Theology means the word/matter/things of God. So like the serpent, one theologian challenges the authority of one's statement, creating conflict and strife instead of the harmony that emerges when people humble themselves and submit to God. The process of true debate, dialectic inquiry, demands confrontation in order to arrive at a higher "truth," which is assaulted by various critics until another "truth" emerges, creating an endless cycle of confrontation.

Some churches, which I won't name, are a mixed bag of strictness and permissiveness, who either ignore the sin and strife or try to hide it behind closed doors. The image of unity is shattered only when a sex scandal is reported in the media, and even then, the church will try to resolve the matter as quickly and as privately as possible by monetary compensation and/or the transfer of the offending party to another church.

Problem 2: Emotionalism replaces worship

While true worship is responding to God's glory and includes praise, a response to God's attributes, the churches create their own kind of "Praise and Worship." While the more traditional churches (the ones packed with Seniors) feature older hymns with Scriptural references, the "big box" and non-denominational churches engage in emotionalism to reach a spiritual high, much like the pagans used to do. Sexual elements are common, as are loud bands with various musical instruments and sermonettes to direct the "Praise and Worship." Some critics of this practice suggest that it even invites demons to join in their worship. You can read this for yourselves.


The Temple of Christ

Acts 2 pretty much describes the ekklesia (assembly) as it should be. No walls, no membership lists; the new temple of God is a fluid collection of individuals who come together for events and projects like a movie crew. When the project is over, people go their separate ways and reassemble as the Holy Spirit orchestrates. My name for this form of impromptu worship and action is "Ad hoc fellowship."

Let's revisit the 7 churches in Asia. Each ekklesia begins as a movement, communicates a special Gospel message, and eventually becomes a monument.

Let's say this monument is a dead tree. As it stands, it does nothing but block out light, but when it falls and decomposes, it provides spiritual nourishment to the new spiritual seedlings (preaching, teaching, etc.). As these seedlings grow out from the nursery log, they become the next movement with the next message, which eventually becomes the next monument. This is the life cycle of the church as allowed by God.

And so it goes. It's not for me to say who is a Christian and who is not, nor is it for me to say that a church building is a vestige of the Jewish Temple. I have merely described some of the good, the bad, and the ugliness of the my church experiences and identified recurring patterns in ekklesias that are found in Rev. 2 & 3 as well as in the epistles of Paul the Apostle.

"The Holy Spirit was showing by this (temple worship) that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order" (Heb. 9:8-10, NIV).
 
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I'm not trying to be rude, because I know this is your struggle...but as I have been reading what you write, you use "I" a lot. You say you "go to church" but we don't really go to church, we worship together as the church. The church is not a building made by man's hand but it is the people who are in Christ. Remember every time you step foot in an area where the body of Christ is together, just remember you are there to worship the Lord, the one who died for our sins. We are there to worship Him, praise Him, sing to Him and to be strengthen by His word.

I understand when you said there are times when you feel like you cannot concentrate (that's my biggest struggle when worshiping) but I have to constantly remind myself that I am here to worship the One who died for my sins. But whatever you do, do not forsake the assembly of the saints. God Bless.
 
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Jesus taught in the fields and outdoors. Why can't we worship there instead?

I think you are painting a false dichotomy, of course we can worship God in the countryside, the problem is that in the UK it rains 90% of the time so a roof is necessary. Its also pretty cold so walls and a fire are helpful... I am sure you get my point.
 
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You need a Spirit-filled, fun church that teaches how and knows how to worship God! It is in the worship that the presence of god comes, and it is then that we are open to the teaching of His Word!

It's amazing!

Try a Vineyard or a Spirit-filled, Bible-based church (perhaps non-denominational) that has a large youth congregation. That will be a happening place!

Find a church that worships musically similar to Hillsong:
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heh, this post is filled with some many half-truths, lies, and outright calumnies against the Catholic Church, the Bible, and God that it'd be laughable if [it were] not truly outright offensive, blasphemous, and injurious to one's faith: which by the way---It IS.

I'll pray for you sir. I suggest you brush up on the validity of the KJV and the falsities you were mislead into believing about the Catholic Church. You still have a lot to learn about the Catholic Church, I pray that our Blessed Saviour Christ Jesus illuminates thy mind concerning her.

Also, if you'd like to find out what Catholics REALLY believe try coming over to OBOB (One Bread One Body, Catholic Sub-form here on Christian forums).


In Christ's Charity,
Matthew
 
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You’re disobedient. The bible commands us to fellowship with our brothers and sisters. That’s how we stay strong, in one accord, and as a body. Don’t make it a leisure time, or hobby, it’s part of your duty as a Christian to gather with your family. Once you make a commitment to go every Sunday, pretty soon it’s nothing, you’ll enjoy it. And then you won’t be able to wait till Sunday. I think it’s hard the first three weeks or so, because you won’t know anyone. It will feel awkward and you’ll feel like you won’t fit in. But that’s how it feels anywhere in a room full of strangers.

Make it a commitment.
 
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