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Nope, mass is never converted into energy.
Mass is a property of energy. So all that is happening is energy moving around and changing its form.
Otherwise the universe would get "used up".
The folks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be most interested to learn that the atomic bombs didn't really work. And neither does the sun actually shine. But fame and fortune await you when you publish your evidence.

 
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Whenever we ponder Minkowski space-time we are thinking about the universe from "outside space-time". So if we can conceive of such a state, then why could not an entity (God) exist in such a state?
No, when we "ponder Minkowski space-time" we are pondering the interchangeability of space and time according to the relative motion of the observer to the observed phenomenon.
You may be overestimating your understanding of physics. See, for instance: The Dunning-Kruger Effect.

 
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The folks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be most interested to learn that the atomic bombs didn't really work. And neither does the sun actually shine. But fame and fortune await you when you publish your evidence.

No need to publish, I'm just describing standard physics. Maybe you need an update. I'm happy to provide, but you might like to check it out for yourself before I say any more.
 
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No, when we "ponder Minkowski space-time" we are pondering the interchangeability of space and time according to the relative motion of the observer to the observed phenomenon.

Well, not quite, but close enough. My understanding of physics is perfectly adequate thank you. (But I'm always hungry to learn more.)
I am more than happy to discuss and learn. But I'll never trade insults or make assumptions.
 
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Professor Norman: But if humans are not the unit of measure, and the world isn’t governed by mathematical laws, what governs all that?
The world has time. Now work on whether that is the same in deep space.

Time is also part of the physical world, but we will exist in a world that is not just physical also.
 
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The Kabbalah is not really based on a guess it is based on an Oral tradition that goes back at least to Moses and maybe all the way back to Abraham and Adam.
Right, but isn't that word of mouth? Scripture is word of God's mouth. It wins.
 
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Same thing. If time exists differently then any flow would also be different. Here it flows a certain way and exists a certain way.
 
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Is that why a journeyman machinist makes more then a PhD scientiest? The PhD's have degraded themselves so much that it is getting to be where an associate degree would make them more money.
Money doesn't matter, the issue is what they know or not. On origins issues they are dolts of the first magnitude.
 
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Right, but isn't that word of mouth? Scripture is word of God's mouth. It wins.
Yes the Kabbalah is considered to be an oral tradition that was passed from generation to generation. They are not considered to be evangelical at all. Is is something you have to seek and want to know.
 
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The darn thing is we have no observers are in the far quadrants of the universe.
 
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Since man could not know the distances in the universe at all unless time existed out there, you don't know how far you need to travel.
 
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Since God is defiantly outside of our heavens, whatever time is like to Him doesn't matter here...or even on the edge of our universe!
 
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Since man could not know the distances in the universe at all unless time existed out there, you don't know how far you need to travel.
Do you have GPS on your telephone?

 
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Einstein didn't know anything about whether time existed in the far universe. If it doesn't you cannot travel in years. That is OUR years. Not years there.
 
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Nice story.
 
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The comedian Stephen Wright also asked an interesting question. "If you're travelling faster then the speed of light, and you turned the headlights of your spacecraft on, would anything happen"?! "How could they see where they are going" ???
Not that interesting as it is all fantasy.
 
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The comedian Stephen Wright also asked an interesting question. "If you're travelling faster then the speed of light, and you turned the headlights of your spacecraft on, would anything happen"?! "How could they see where they are going" ???
It would take all the energy you could produce to travel the speed of light. There would not be any energy available to turn the lights on. They tell me with some cars you have to turn the air conditioner off to have the power to get on an expressway. The reason we can not go faster then the speed of light is that the energy required to do that does not exist.
 
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No need to publish, I'm just describing standard physics. Maybe you need an update. I'm happy to provide, but you might like to check it out for yourself before I say any more.
Please provide an update.

 
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