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what is the role of Prophets in the NT?

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what is the role of Prophets in the NT?

Lets look for examples in Acts and elsewhere dating to after the Resurrection since that is when the Holy Spirit and his gifts are given.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: prophet
 
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That's a good question, in light of the modern Charismatic movement especially!


I actually think the role is much more minor compared to what most Charismatics claim. (If you look at the mention of people who are called "prophets" in the NT, it is substantially smaller than OT prophets) NT Prophets like Agabus provided guidance and encouragement to the body etc.

Saint John the Divine is a person who sort of is an exception to this, but then again he was not just a prophet but was one of the apostles, and not just a apostle but part of Christ's most inner circle of followers.


This is of course much different that what many Charismatics claim or expect. They assume or expect a prominent role of prophets today that mirrors the role played in the days of the Old Testament.


In closing, I will say the Didache written in the time of the Apostolic Fathers, I believe sheds a lot of light on this issue since it shows how primitive Christians operated just after the last books of the NT were written.

http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~tim/study/DidacheAndProphets.pdf

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what is the role of Prophets in the NT?

Lets look for examples in Acts and elsewhere dating to after the Resurrection since that is when the Holy Spirit and his gifts are given.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: prophet
Since the new testament scriptures say we are to not despise prophesying and to test everything, and then keep what is good and throw away what is bad - it's not the same as the THUS SAITH THE LORD! prophets, with "authority"

Nobody listened to the old testament prophets anyway, and the age of the law of the prophets ended at John the baptizer anyway.
 
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and the age of the law of the prophets ended at John the baptizer anyway.
Agreed. A primal duty of a prophet was to choose kings. That ended with John proclaiming the last King.

Locusts and honey anyone? There is a shortage of bees but plagues of locusts not seen since 1961 are back again.
 
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I would say the function of the OT prophets, in a very general sense, was to bring a word from the Lord ("Thus sayeth the Lord..."). More often than not that word was something like, "Y'all need to start living within the life-giving bounds of the covenant." At any rate, a prophet was someone anointed by the Spirit to bring a word from the Lord to the people.

With the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, that function is extended to the whole body. This is essentailly what Peter quotes from Joel in Acts 2. All are given the Spirit to proclaim the Word of the Lord, i.e. Christ, in both word and deed. Maybe not every member of the body fulfills the specific task of proclaiming a word from the Lord in addressing a particular situation, as the OT prophets did, but all members contribute to that end. Whatever the case, all who confess Jesus Christ as Lord fulfill the prophetic task with their confession and with their lives, which reflect the truth of their confession.
 
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what is the role of Prophets in the NT?

Lets look for examples in Acts and elsewhere dating to after the Resurrection since that is when the Holy Spirit and his gifts are given.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: prophet



That's a good question, in light of the modern Charismatic movement especially!


I actually think the role is much more minor compared to what most Charismatics claim. (If you look at the mention of people who are called "prophets" in the NT, it is substantially smaller than OT prophets) NT Prophets like Agabus provided guidance and encouragement to the body etc.

Saint John the Divine is a person who sort of is an exception to this, but then again he was not just a prophet but was one of the apostles, and not just a apostle but part of Christ's most inner circle of followers.


This is of course much different that what many Charismatics claim or expect. They assume or expect a prominent role of prophets today that mirrors the role played in the days of the Old Testament.


In closing, I will say the Didache written in the time of the Apostolic Fathers, I believe sheds a lot of light on this issue since it shows how primitive Christians operated just after the last books of the NT were written.

1Co 14:20
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.


1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.


1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1Co 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.


1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


I guess it is time to stop being novices and babes in Christ and fully understand the validity and purpose of Prophets, Prophesying, and Prophesy,
IN, TO and FOR the Church.

We cannot compare what Prophets did in the Old Testament with regard to the Position of a Prophet in the New Testament and in the Church of today.

The Holy Spirit speaks through the Prophet for the Edification of the Church (Body), HE also speaks through the one who has the Gift of Interpretation.

1Co 14:38
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
 
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Christ was a prophet and so were his 12 disciples, minus Judas. We all know what their roles were -- to spread the gospel and to advance the kingdom accompanied by miracles.

A prophet doesn't only bring a word from the Lord to the people, he brings judgement and mayhem. Just look what Moses did to Egypt and Elijah to the 400 (?) Baal priests. The two prophets from Revelation shall do the same in the end times and will torment the whole world.

As for the common believers, if you have been gifted, you can prophecy or tell the future. But, that's it.
 
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Christ was a prophet and so were his 12 disciples, minus Judas. We all know what their roles were -- to spread the gospel and to advance the kingdom accompanied by miracles.

A prophet doesn't only bring a word from the Lord to the people, he brings judgement and mayhem. Just look what Moses did to Egypt and Elijah to the 400 (?) Baal priests. The two prophets from Revelation shall do the same in the end times and will torment the whole world.

As for the common believers, if you have been gifted, you can prophecy or tell the future. But, that's it.
Prophets are those who read the signs of the times. The do not tell the future but of a possibility if changes of heart and mind are not made.
The future is the response or not to the prophets. Assuming that the revelation of the "prophet" is judged to be a consequence of current events. If the change of heart or mind does not lead to love and compassion for all or leads to war or attacking others then it is false.

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what is the role of Prophets in the NT?

Lets look for examples in Acts and elsewhere dating to after the Resurrection since that is when the Holy Spirit and his gifts are given.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: prophet
Tautologically speaking, the most appropriate leaders consist of men and women with ears most finely attuned to God's voice. Such people are called prophets. Here's Paul's definition of a church:

"And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues." (1Cor 12).

Note that any alternative definition of a church did NOT come from Scripture and, until proven otherwise, should be regarded as a man-made figment of human theological ingenuity.
 
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True prophets should be able to bring the heart and mind of God to the people. This is still valuable as both a gift and as one of the five-fold ministries. Many churches do not cultivate these gifts, while others allow too many to operate in the flesh or even worse, allow false prophets that use the title and messages either knowingly false or for money. There is no agreement on whether prophets are under the Pastors, or if they have a level of ministry that encompasses many churches. I still am glad that God uses this ministry though. It helps train our discernment and true prophecies can certainly prepare, help and encourage those around them.
 
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There is no agreement on whether prophets are under the Pastors...
See my post (post 11). Seems pretty clear that apostles and prophets outranked everyone else. Look at verse 31:

"And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues...31Now eagerly desire the greater gifts."

In fact the main thrust of this epistle is to define spiritual maturity as mature prophethood. I have a whole thread on this point, notably these posts: Post 7, and Post 33, and Post 46, and Post 47, and post 52, and post 58.

Not to mention that the NT defines evangelism as prophetic utterance (see post 179 on another thread, and post 180), since only an irresponsible/negligent God would entrust the evangelism of 100 billion souls to humanly fallible approaches.
 
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Prophets are those witnesses sent by means of a supernatural call, such as what Paul experienced in his way to Damascus. However they may not be involved in the direct witnessing of Jesus' deeds and speeches, though they are reinforcing the effect of the coming of a New Covenant. Apostles on the other hand, are more or less the direct witnesses of Christ and are responsible for the contribution to the NT contents.
 
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The relevant section of the Nicene Creed referring to the Holy Spirit is as follows -

"I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is adored and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets."

If someone is a prophet, the Holy Spirit is speaking through them. The Old Testament prophets might have been more powerful and spectacular than New Testament "prophets", since they preceded Christ and were spokesmen and women for God, but these days if someone is giving a message directed by the Holy Spirit, that person is being prophetic at that time.

Way back when I was Presbyterian, I had a pastor who was prophetic. Apart from his wisdom, he was also very accurate when he "thought" something would happen because it generally did, and there is no way he could have known about some of these things by his own wisdom. He was being "shown" in advance.

For example way back circa 1990/91 (when he made most of his future comments to me), he predicted amongst other things "I think your sister won't live very long... I think she'll get leukemia."

Sure enough she died of leukemia in 2005, aged 45. But there was no reason for him to think she'd get leukemia fifteen years down the track. He just "knew" - or, if you like, he was being "told".

I think these days rather than saying somebody is a prophet, we'd be closer to the mark to say someone speaks prophetically, guided by the Holy Spirit.
 
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A primal duty of a prophet was to choose kings.
This is absolutely wrong.
Very occasionally, we might see God directly intervening, b
ut most of the time, kings just followed the family line, father to son.
Other times, the crown was usurped by violence and strength.
 
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Prophets are those witnesses sent by means of a supernatural call, such as what Paul experienced in his way to Damascus. However they may not be involved in the direct witnessing of Jesus' deeds and speeches, though they are reinforcing the effect of the coming of a New Covenant. Apostles on the other hand, are more or less the direct witnesses of Christ and are responsible for the contribution to the NT contents.
I'm not sure if you were trying to impugn my post which provided links to an argument for witnessing-as-prophecy. You construct a distinction between direct witnesses (apostles) and indirect witnesses (prophets). That's neither biblical nor valid.
(1) OT and NT prophets spoke directly to Christ face to face and then relayed the messages to men. How does such classify as "indirect" witnessing?
(2) "Indirect witnessing" is a contradiction in terms. In court, for example, a person who failed to directly witness his data is immediately disqualified as a witness. Meaning, if he acquired the information from a third party, his words only qualify as hearsay.

Please accept what Scripture has to say about witnessing instead of trying to pigeonhole it into your own preferred doctrine/theology.
 
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They end with Revelation, the book can't be sealed and no one can add or take away from it. We live through faith and obedience to Christ's NT fulfilled commandments that we will be written in the book of life. That's all we can hope for and all we should desire to do.
 
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They end with Revelation, the book can't be sealed and no one can add or take away from it. We live through faith and obedience to Christ's NT fulfilled commandments that we will be written in the book of life. That's all we can hope for and all we should desire to do.
Utterly untrue.
The prophetic gifts are alive today if people would ask God for his anointing.

Over the last 50 years, the Lord has spoken to me many times with prophetic words for myself, for intercessory purposes or for other people.
 
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