What is the quest for the Holy Grail?

[phoenix_kid82]

From what i know, the Holy Grail is meant to be the cup that Jesus drank from at the last supper.

So when I hear "quest for the Holy Grail", i think Monty Python or that song with that in the lyrics.

What does the cup symbolise? Is the Holy Grail in some museum somewhere?

Does this belong here?

Phoenix_Kid82

 

[zjl56]

From what I have seen that the Holy Grail was probably a regular chalice that had been set at the place of the Last Supper.
I briefly know about something that a few people believed that the Holy Grail was the blood line from Jesus that had been carried on through his children. That heritical cult was destroyed by the Church.
The real Holy Grail is probably lost to time though it might still be around.

 

[Iollain]

That heritical cult was destroyed by the Church.

What Church did this, and who did this Church follow? Could not have been Jesus.

 

[FreeinChrist]

From what i know, the Holy Grail is meant to be the cup that Jesus drank from at the last supper.

So when I hear "quest for the Holy Grail", i think Monty Python or that song with that in the lyrics.

What does the cup symbolise? Is the Holy Grail in some museum somewhere?

Does this belong here?

Phoenix_Kid82

no...it fell down a crevise when that lady tried to take it from .....

oh yeah - that was just a movie!

Guess I will have to watch that Indiana Jones movie again since it has been awhile!

 

[ClementofRome]

Why is there no search for the holy platter upon which the bread rested? For certain it was a non-descript wine cup...even the word "chalise" suggests that it was crystal encrusted or the like.

I am certain that Jesus has little concern for where this long lost piece of pottery has gone...probably whomever cleaned up after the supper, washed it and put it back on the shelf to be used the next day.

 

[HiredGoon]

In the earliest romances the "grail" was the dish Christ ate the Paschal lamb from with the disciples at the last supper. It was supposedly used by Joseph of Arimathea to gather Christ's blood when his body was taken from the cross. In later romances the grail becomes the chalice of the Eucharist. An old story dated about 717 mentions a hermit who had a vision of this dish. In old French popular speech it was "greal" hence the English "grail." Most of the French Romances which mention the grail date between 1180 and 1240. In these early romances the grail is closely connected to Perceval and also King Arthur.

 

[ClementofRome]

...or the "grill" upon which the Paschal lamb was roasted!

Sorry, could not resist.

 

[phoenix_kid82]

...or the "grill" upon which the Paschal lamb was roasted!

Sorry, could not resist.

Tee hee hee

 

[phoenix_kid82]

I agree with u all, that we don't need to go on a wild goose chase to find this mysterious cup, but i already have the blood of the Lamb.

But in a symbolic sense with a Christian understanding, does "quest for the holy grail" mean anything? Is it like wanting to become like Jesus and follow in His ways, and to want to drink from the cup He drank from and die a martyrs death or something? (in saying that, i acknowledge that Jesus was no mere martyr) So to drink from a cup usually means a cup of suffering right, especially in this context?

Sorry, i think i'm taking the original post for a spin

 

[RVincent]

But in a symbolic sense with a Christian understanding, does "quest for the holy grail" mean anything?

Surprisingly, Indiana Jones can provide a pretty good example, though an example of what is false.

In both the first and third movies, one of the premises was that if the Nazis were to take possession of the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail, that they would obtain power from "on High".

The idea that possessing any of the objects will give one power is false, as illustrated in 1 Samuel chapters 4 - 6.

Other than that, I think that there is just a natural tendancy to want to hold onto things for a remembrance of what was.

 

[armothe]

The idea that possessing any of the objects will give one power is false, as illustrated in 1 Samuel chapters 4 - 6.

I thought the Israelites possession of the Ark of the Covenant during battle insured their victory?

-A

 

[phoenix_kid82]

I guess i'm saying that when we drink wine and eat bread at communion, the cup is symbolic, it's the cup He didn't want to drink but He put the Father's will before His. He had to suffer.

It's like the sign of the crucifix. The power isn't in the shape of it or the material used to make it, but in what it represents.

So if it's something people seek in that sense, if they seek to live a life like Christ and are willing to lay their life down for their friends, they are seeking to drink the cup He drank.

Am i on2 something or am i way off?

 

[RVincent]

I thought the Israelites possession of the Ark of the Covenant during battle insured their victory?

-A

It would have been obedience to God's order that endured victory. The object itself has no power. Otherwise, during Israel's sidobedience, the Ark did them no good.

 

[markie]

From what I have seen that the Holy Grail was probably a regular chalice that had been set at the place of the Last Supper.
I briefly know about something that a few people believed that the Holy Grail was the blood line from Jesus that had been carried on through his children. That heritical cult was destroyed by the Church.
The real Holy Grail is probably lost to time though it might still be around.

Was Jesus supposed to be married and have children? This might be a differant subject but what do you all think about the shroud of Turin?