What is the Next Prophetic Event?

Hello MidnightCry

It is lovely to have this opportunity to explore this with you.

Your outline of the book of Daniel is worthy of study, and indeed the whole book of Daniel is scattered with numerous signs that may point the way towards the truth in this matter.

You point out that it is very important to compare history with prophecy for through this comparison one may discern the truth of which components of the book of Daniel were symbolic in meaning and which components have literal meaning. Using rational thinking one may extrapolate other meanings through this method.

However, for purposes of clarity, let us assume that 1844 was the correct year for Jesus' Return.
We must get some unity of thought in terms of what the Return of Jesus will look like?
Can we try to imagine that we are now living in 1844. We are both convinced that Jesus will return this year. How will you now recognize Jesus upon His Return?

Hopefully, we can discuss this in more detail now...

DennisTate said:

Ellen White also reported extensive out of the body experiences. I read one of her old books loaned to me by Mrs. Langille that offended me at the time because Mrs. White told about visiting the patriarch Enoch where he was sitting all alone on his own planet...this bothered me because I could not understand why a servant of God would want to be alone...but now that I look back i suspect that perhaps Enoch was discussing matters with God that were of a nature that maybe even were not to be revealed to any body else....so now I would no longer be so offended by what Mrs. White wrote there!

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Oh My DennisTate:
EGW did not have an out of the body experience. She, like we all do veiw thing with our mind not the body. It is something like what do with virtual experience using the computer. If you look up the actual word spirit it means your thought process. Your brain is the best made computer that has ever been made. Man can simulate only a fraction of what it is capable of doing.

Explain dreams, or even day dreaming, or when you are in a deep thought and someone is talking and you don't even notice them. Man only became alive when Elohim breathe into his nostril His breath of Life. When a man dies the life source return to Elohim where it came. Not any phemomenal thing but what He and only He gave to us.

If this thing you say made sense man would have found a way to bring dead people back they can't. So people since YAHWEH said we would actually die we stupidly believe a serpent (that the devil used to disguse who he actual was), over Him. So we come with crazy belief that spirit is some out of the body thing that's floats. Boy Satan loves it and makes you see things but you never seen it fully and at all times. There is no life after you die, you are dead and you know nothing (which is the spirit because your thought process is gone).

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

MidnightCry said:

Greetings Kam Fanaian,

I am not sure what you are asking. It is hard to imagine being alive in 1844 and waiting for the return of Christ. I have a different world view then people living in 1844. However, I probably would have come to the same conclusion; that in 1844 Jesus would begin cleansing Heavens temple. Except, people thought Jesus would be cleansing earth. I could easily see myself as believing that also.

There are many verses that refer to the second coming. There are also many verses warning us not to be deceived by the coming imposter. Is this what you are referring to?

YSIC,
MidnightCry

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My apologies for the confusions that I am creating

I will try to explain. When Jesus returns, are you expecting Him to literally come from the clouds, and literally take the faithful ones back to heaven with Him?

What will His return look like? Will He be a man walking the earth like the rest of us? If so, will His station be hidden from all but the faithful, like a "thief in the night"?

Will the earth literally end when He returns? How will this look like, will there be globally ramifying destructive explosions? What will it look like from your understanding of the Sacred Texts?

Hope that has clarified things.

When these sorts of questions are answered, then we can ascertain whether your perceptions and interpretations of the Sacred Scripture can be matched with the historical realities that occurred in 1844.

A lot happened in that year that will shape the spiritual destiny of the inhabitants of the whole planet for at least 500,000 years.

I hope that this is more clear for you MidnightCry?

Thanks

MidnightCry said:

Revelation 13:1-8 clear indicates that worship will someday become a hotly debated topic all over the word, but what will trigger this conflict?


What event should Christians anticipate?

What will cause the US to negate the First Amendment and enact a national Sunday law? What will trigger the enactment of a national Sunday law in communist countries like China, North Korea, and Russia? What will cancel Sharia Law and trigger Sunday laws in large Islamic populations found in Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, and Saudia Arabia? What will trigger a Sunday law in Israel where conservatives insist on observing the seventh day of the week?

Today, the total of all Christian religions of the world is a mere 25% of the world's seven billion people. So, how is a universal Sunday law possible?

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That is not what is written in the Bible. What Rev 13, 16-19 provides is a continuation of Dan 7-12 that we just don't get. It clearly states in Dan Chapter Seven that Daniel saw a beast giving over to flame. Rev provide how it all takes place. As is was in Noah and Sodom will take place again. There is three evil players in the last days two will work together the other they will dispose. What is taking place today is the gay movement that is totally against the creation of male and female. Now I am not saying to mistreat anyone. I also disagree to force people to believe the way you do politically. However, this is what the crisis is going to be about moral issues. You cannot blame it on one person but the nation and the world as a whole.

The Republicans want you to believe in their type of religion their way. The Democrats says anythings goes. So those who truly follow the Bible they actual has become more subdue or in the background.

We can not accept abortion but we cannot force people not to abort or harm them if they do. The gays way of life we cannot accept and we must call sin by its right name. But we cannot mistreat them in anyway they have the right to choose. We must hate the sin but love the sinner with kindness. Racism which is back and is shown in this Tea Party Movement. Also all the states who have Republican governors who are restricting the right to vote through any unrighteous means necessary. They don't want Blacks or minorities (hispanics) to vote so the old Jim Crow laws are back even more so! It is more noticable since we have a Afrikan President that Elohim allow to take the office. He is hated with a vengence that has never been seen before. Is he fair yes under the laws of man but not according to Elohim's. Do he believe he is doing right yes because Elohim is the one that looks on the heart and not man. Do I agree with all of his policies? No I do not, but I believe that he is a good and honest man. I also believe that politics and religions in this country cannot and will not mix. A form of worship but denying the Bible fully is when we do one thing but not what is true or right. We use Elohim for a cause that we believe in and not what the Bible says. No one should make a person believe what you believe if they choose not too. However soon Elohim and not man will finally make man choose. Extreme calamities will take place very soon. Live a right life and that will speak better than words.

This country Christians are big liars and are very hateful and mean. Only doing what they feel is right when they are totally wrong!!! Genetic modification is the same thing they did in Noah's day, We all over indulging and many eat any and everything and we wonder why we are so ill! Taking away people rights of all kind and trying to use the Bible to justify it. Abusing children by molesting, beatings and all other unspeakable things. Woman rights, Elohim made man and woman equal. Woman health men feel they can control it without women consent. Men feel they can exploit our bodies, not give us equal pay and tell how to live. Disrepectful children against their parents, teachers or anyone in authority. Having all type of sex at an early age. The sexual revolution is explopded which include divorce which is at an all time high. More people living together, rape of both men and women. New STD diseases are a merging and still sex is out of control. Drinking and druging of all type from on the street and perscrption medicine. Weed has become legal in certain countries and in certain states here in USA. Guns are out of control, murder with a vengence (this include terroist abroad and home). It is all about live and let live. So something must give because it is about choice. Many do not believe that Elohim is going to destroy this world. Scientists now rather believe that Aliens somewhere they don't even know, has come and made man. They don't even realize that it was man who been outerspace before. There is nothing new under the Sun. Scientist do not believe how intelligent and tall man originally was. Even Christians are starting to believe that the world is billion of year old and so on!!!

I would also watch what happen with Islam countries their governments are all falling-why? Read the Bible it's gives the answer!!!!

I feel that time is truly short and as moral issues are cast aside here in this country, this will make this country become the lamblike beast or the false prophet. The worship of a man who works with Satan who gives him full control of what he owns-powerful angels. This man once believe in what the Catholic believed but he founds out it's a lie. Not only will he stop believing the Catholic faith but in whom the Catholic believed Elohim. He will learn from Satan that he was abuse in Heaven like the Catholic abuse him on this earth. Satan convince him that if he help him on earth (well he will be able to see Satan powers and the angels are all release to come to earth), this man will help him get Heaven back. In the streets we call this even swap. The deal is that the man and the false prophet will rule here and Satan will rule the universe.

So what I humble suggest that all watch this election and the next. I truly believe that next election four years from now will shock a lot of us who have been sleeping. He that will come will not tarry and this world is about to explode!

Blessings and I hope we will pray for the time is truly at hand,
stinsonmarri

MidnightCry said:

Revelation 8:5 tells us an angel will hurl a censer to the earth. There will be peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake. Since Revelation is a global story, involving the entire earth, I believe this will be a global earthquake. This will mark the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

I agree. You are first one that I've read that believes this like me according to the Bible.

Then the seven trumpets will sound. I believe the seven trumpets are literal.
Their purpose is to awaken the whole world to the authority and soon return of Jesus Christ. During the seven trumpets, Jesus will send destructive judgments that will cause destruction and death on a scale not seen since the flood in Noah's day.

Again I agree.

During this time the 144,000 will preach the gospel message. For 1,260 days they will proclaim that Jesus is about to return to Earth. The 144,000 will proclaim the eternal gospel throughout the world. Millions of honest-hearted people will embrace Jesus Christ as their Creator and worship Him on His holy Sabbath as He decrees.

I agree but there are some important points I will like to add. His people will call Him by His right name Yashua. Jesus is a pagan name. A common Jewish girl would never call the Savior a name simular to the people they dispise. Plus He would come in His Father's name "Yah" (I am)"Shua" (salvation). That is why they will be known to witness the truth. Ex 23:13 A name is extremely important let someone call you out of your name! It is not all about the Sabbath but keeping all the Commandment and having the Testimony of Yashua.

Because of the destruction of the first four trumpets, a global church-state government will form. World leaders will create a new religious government that will have authority over all of the nations of Earth to lead the world in repentance. The beast is called, "Babylon." Babylon will be given authority over every nation without firing a single bullet. It's mission will be to appease God so that His wrath will cease.

I hope you allow me to make some correction here. There will never be a global church-state. The Bible does not state this. There will a Church religion and government but not global. Many do not truly understand the religions of the east. Hindu and Budha and there related religions are quite unique. But first let understand that the beast is a man and not Babylon.

Here is what needs to be clearly understood. There will be three major players in the Time of Trouble. The Church government or form of worship will be in control of a portion of the earth for a while. Rev 11 is clear and YAHWEH shows that His Temple is where the saints will worship. But the "courtyard." is given to the "Gentiles." The place of worship is the "holy city," that is the "great city," also known as "Egypt and Sodom." It is where Yashua was crucified. The Catholic church since it's early rule have alway wanted Jerusalem. It is her goal to help build the Temple. Why? Because she claims to be both the father and son in one body.

I use to live in Jerusalem years ago. There is the Catholic Church (by the way owns a lot of land there), Armenian Church, Greek Orthodox Church, and the Coptic Church all house together. You talk about confusion and about money it big money in that city. Now keep in mind that the Dome of the Rock also rakes in money as well. Now they know where the original Solomon Temple was built and it is not where the Dome of Rock is located. It down lower on the eastside of the Temple Mound. Jerusalem is Babylon and the Papacy will rule for a short period of time ( 3 1/2 years/42 months/1,260 days.

The fifth trumpet will be the appearing of Satan. He will appear physically on earth to deceive the world with his miracles. The devil, attended by 200 million demons will have five months to convince the world that he is God.
After the five months, the sixth trumpet will occur. This will be a civil war all over the globe. He will kill those who oppose him and set himself up as King of kings and Lord of lords. Everyone willing to obey Satan will receive the mark of the beast on his or her right hand.

Remember first there are three woes. This is the bigest deception is that Satan and his angels were kick down to this earth. The word for earth is wrong and Jude 1:6; Rev 9: 1, 2; 20:1-3 proves that they were place in a dark regional area of outerspace (bottomless pit). They all are not allow to come here. If you notice only Satan was in the Garden of Eden at He was by the tree! Where was the rest of the angels. In the Sumeria myth during the flood it stated that gods were scared. Well EGW stated that only Satan was scared during the flood. The Bible states that only one time a legion of angels of Satan was here but Yashua said His Father could said legions of angels. Only Satan tried to sneak back into Heaven, tempted Yashua, is just the prince of only the air. The dragon drew 1/3 but not to earth again is should be land. Land does not just mean the earth that what they interpreted it to mean. But you read all the other text it would some land for them but not our planet (it was not even made yet).

It is not Satan that will torture but the beast using Satan angels. Satan has given him control.

The beast returns and destroy the word of Elohim that was preached by the 144,000. With these angels and aide by the third evil foe will be lamb like beast/false prophet/USA. The beast was once a part of the Catholic Church. He founds out it has been lying and he is furious. He not only turn his back on her but her false belief in Elohim. Satan has convine this man while is angry that this is a plot from Elohim and he stood up for his right and was kicked out of Heaven. The beast believe him and now he is the son (sun) of peridition under Satan his father. Why need to get this. He nows lift up the god of force and not Elohim. The beast will be worship as a god here on earth while Satan will be worship as the god of the universe. Dan 11:36-39 is clear and describes Satan that the beast worship. Eze. 20:13 In order to carry this diabolical plan out. Satan turn his evil angels over to the beast/man who torture the wicked to exercise his power. His false prophet now encourage the rest of the world to worship the beast. Hinduism and Budhaism and their counterparts, also communism all believe in the force of nature. But there is something that was in the way. Islam who still believe in the false concept of Elohim like the Jews and Christians. They are fanatical and must be put down. Satan had place this religion to tried to prevent the prophcies of Daniel and Revelation. Remember he reads and tremble. What is taken place in the Arab world today is completing the text: Rev 16:12 With Islam out of the way these kings with the aid of the false prophet will unite with the beast/man. He will divide and select 10 kings to represent the united or universal world. They are urge to build an image to the beast. This image lives and speak, but really? Another deception like in the Garden and the serpent who could fly and had intellect but could not speak! It was Satan and this will be Satan. The Catholic Church feel she is the one and the beast and his foes will have a mark. Once again Jerusalem is in war the final one call Armageddon. It is during this time the plagues are fallen. Probation has close and the beast rule for only two months. He destroy the Papacy (the harlot) and Jerusalem/Babylon (it is the lamb like beast that drops the bomb). To complete her (Jerusalem) final destruction and angel of Elohim complete the destruction.
Now the beast can concentrate on Elohim's people because he wants to fight with Yashua. He sits in the Temple in the Most Holy place and the word is out to gather and destroy the remnant who have scatter during the war. 1,335 days and Yashua is on His way.

The seventh trumpet will sound. This trumpet marks the close of God's grace and mercy. Every choice will have been made, every decision is final. Then the seven bowls will be poured out on the those having the mark of the beast.

When the Seventh Trumpet Sound everthing is finish hail is pour out from the sky ending with Yashu taking the beast and the false prophet burning them in the lake of fire first. He now takes Satan and lock him down where his angels and him have lived since being kicked out of Heaven.

Jesus will then return to take His saints home. The wicked will be killed with a command from Jesus. The dead will rise first into the air to meet the Lord, followed by those left alive at His coming.

The wicked flesh will be eaten by the birds. The saints will judge the wicked this will take a thousand years.

When Jesus comes, everyone will know and see Him as He arrives. There will be no doubt about who Jesus is when He arrives. The saints will be full of great joy, the wicked full of dread.

I agree.

This is just a short overview of events, obviously there is a alot more to this end time story.

Mine was a little more detail and I still left a lot out!

YSIC,
MidnightCry

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Happy Sabbath and I hope you read over the text I gave.
stinsonmarri

My dear friends,

Is it totally impossible that these signs of the Second Coming may be symbolic in their meaning?

The Jews have waited several thousand years for the coming of the Messiah, purely because they believed the signs of His coming would be literally fulfilled. The missed Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God, and their Messiah.

Let us not be overly confident. We must not let this happen again. So, is it possible that these signs may be symbolic in their meaning?