What is the Next Prophetic Event?

[MidnightCry]

Revelation 13:1-8 clear indicates that worship will someday become a hotly debated topic all over the word, but what will trigger this conflict?


What event should Christians anticipate?

What will cause the US to negate the First Amendment and enact a national Sunday law? What will trigger the enactment of a national Sunday law in communist countries like China, North Korea, and Russia? What will cancel Sharia Law and trigger Sunday laws in large Islamic populations found in Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, and Saudia Arabia? What will trigger a Sunday law in Israel where conservatives insist on observing the seventh day of the week?

Today, the total of all Christian religions of the world is a mere 25% of the world's seven billion people. So, how is a universal Sunday law possible?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Revelation 13:1-8 clear indicates that worship will someday become a hotly debated topic all over the word, but what will trigger this conflict?


What event should Christians anticipate?

What will cause the US to negate the First Amendment and enact a national Sunday law? What will trigger the enactment of a national Sunday law in communist countries like China, North Korea, and Russia? What will cancel Sharia Law and trigger Sunday laws in large Islamic populations found in Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, and Saudia Arabia? What will trigger a Sunday law in Israel where conservatives insist on observing the seventh day of the week?

Today, the total of all Christian religions of the world is a mere 25% of the world's seven billion people. So, how is a universal Sunday law possible?

Not sure exactly how it will come about but I do know that the ecumenical movement among all religions right now will play a factor. Benedict is actively persuading world governments of the need of a legislated day of rest on Sunday. The EU is also pursuing legislation to the same effect in the guise of a workers right of one day of rest from labour...

 

[MidnightCry]

Are you saying the ecumenical movement and the Pope are going to force people to worship on Sunday? They are going to pass a Sunday law? Who will enforce this law?

I's like to see them tell China and North Korea what to do. Plus they have to make sure Libya and Iran comply. You know, they could get beheaded for that sort of thing. Even just talking about Jesus as the Messiah will get you beheaded in a Muslim country.

I just don't think that is the answer. Revelation 13:8 says "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world."

So, this implies the all inhabitants of the earth. I think the Pope better get busy and fast!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Don't you think that when Satan appears as an angel of light impersonating Christ, that ALL people of the earth are going to sit up and take notice and do as he says...

 

[JohnMarsten]

Don't you think that when Satan appears as an angel of light impersonating Christ, that ALL people of the earth are going to sit up and take notice and do as he says...

I guess that will be the last straw...

 

[MidnightCry]

OK. So are you saying that Satan appearing on earth and impersonating Christ is the next prophetic event?

Can you back that up with scripture please?

Thank you for your reply,
midnightcry

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

OK. So are you saying that Satan appearing on earth and impersonating Christ is the next prophetic event?

Can you back that up with scripture please?

Thank you for your reply,
midnightcry

2 Cor 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.


And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Matt 24:22-26
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[MidnightCry]

ECR,

Thank you. I was actually looking for some verses in Revelation.
Can you show me where in Revelation Jesus tells us Satan will appear to attempt deceive everyone on earth?

 

[MidnightCry]

OK. I'm confused.

Is the next prophetic event going to be a Sunday law or the appearing of Satan impersonating Jesus Christ?

Where in the book of Revelation are there verses to support either one of these events?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

ECR,

Thank you. I was actually looking for some verses in Revelation.
Can you show me where in Revelation Jesus tells us Satan will appear to attempt deceive everyone on earth?

You are SDA, do you accept SOP as any authority?

And why does it have to come from Revelation? There are maany, many end time prophesy's throughout the Bible. The OT is chock full... read 1 Cor 10:11 for NT support of this.

 

[MidnightCry]

Jesus gave John visions while he was on the Isle of Patmos. He showed John what was going to happen at the end of time. John, as instructed, wrote this information down so future generations, especially the generation living at the end of time, would know what to expect.

The prophecies in Revelation apply to a certain group of people. The people living at the end of time. Jesus wants us to know what is coming so we can prepare spiritually. So we aren't frightened when things fall apart. So we won't be so disappointed that we lose our faith in Him. He wants us to hang on, to stay strong; knowing what is coming next and seeing things happen just as He said will strengthen our faith. It will help make us stronger to read the scriptures and understand them.

So, if Satan is going to appear on earth to deceive people and Jesus wants us to know that fact; why isn't there scripture in Revelation that tells us that?
Surely He showed this to John in vision. Its important for us to know. Surely Jesus would want us to know something so important and deceptive!

So please, can you show me scripture from Revelation that supports this event?

 

[MidnightCry]

OK. So no one can point to scripture in the book of Revelation That points to Lucifer appearing on earth to deceive people.

Let's think about this. One of the biggest events in world history, something Jesus warned about several times, an event Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, John and Paul all referred to; and you are all saying (I'm inferring this because no one answered this post) that Jesus did not include this in the panoramic vision of the end times that He gave to John?

Does anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

 

[MidnightCry]

OK. Of course, there is scripture in the book of Revelation that tells us that Lucifer will physically appear on earth and attempt to deceive everyone, even the elect, if that were possible.

The problem is that the SDA Church is asleep. Like the rest of the world (and the ten virgins), the SDA Church will be caught by surprise. It's time to stop blindly following church leaders, traditions, and failed prophecy!

SDAs have ruined the intended meaning of Revelation's story by forcing the seven trumpets into the past. The SDA Church teaches the seven trumpets happened centuries ago, and conclude the seven trumpets of Revelation are personally insignificant. The first four trumpets are about to sound and almost everyone is asleep to their importance.

The Millerites put the seven seals, seven trumpets, Two Witnesses and even the seven last plagues into past centuries for a simple reason. The Millerites believed the world would end in 1844; therefore, they reasoned, everything in Bible prophecy must be fulfilled prior to 1844. To make the book of Revelation meet their prophetic needs, they researched history and invented "historical fulfillments." Think about this: The Millerites were forced by their end-of-the-world conclusion to put the bulk of Revelation's story in the past.

The correct timing of the seven trumpets is crucial to understanding Revelation's story because the seven trumpets will change life as we know it and trigger a worldwide controversy over worship.

Look at the cost of getting this wrong: The rejection of Messiah at the first Advent and the bitter Millerite disappointment of 1844 prove that this mistake can be spiritually fatal.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

OK. Of course, there is scripture in the book of Revelation that tells us that Lucifer will physically appear on earth and attempt to deceive everyone, even the elect, if that were possible.

The problem is that the SDA Church is asleep. Like the rest of the world (and the ten virgins), the SDA Church will be caught by surprise. It's time to stop blindly following church leaders, traditions, and failed prophecy!

SDAs have ruined the intended meaning of Revelation's story by forcing the seven trumpets into the past. The SDA Church teaches the seven trumpets happened centuries ago, and conclude the seven trumpets of Revelation are personally insignificant. The first four trumpets are about to sound and almost everyone is asleep to their importance.

The Millerites put the seven seals, seven trumpets, Two Witnesses and even the seven last plagues into past centuries for a simple reason. The Millerites believed the world would end in 1844; therefore, they reasoned, everything in Bible prophecy must be fulfilled prior to 1844. To make the book of Revelation meet their prophetic needs, they researched history and invented "historical fulfillments." Think about this: The Millerites were forced by their end-of-the-world conclusion to put the bulk of Revelation's story in the past.

The correct timing of the seven trumpets is crucial to understanding Revelation's story because the seven trumpets will change life as we know it and trigger a worldwide controversy over worship.

Look at the cost of getting this wrong: The rejection of Messiah at the first Advent and the bitter Millerite disappointment of 1844 prove that this mistake can be spiritually fatal.

The pioneers put the prophesies in the past because there is credibule historical evidence that coincides with the timeline of the prophesies. Another thing that we as Adventists don't always give credit to, is that these people were lead by the Holy Spirit in their study of these things. To say, as some you have, that some of the pioneer understanding is correct while some is not, casts doubt on it all. Could it be that some of it we are comfortable accepting and some, that we perhaps don't like? I haven't heard any alternative explainations for these prophesies other than to say they are all future, which isn't any proof at all.

The are many examples of dual and even some triple applications of prophesies in the Bible, so just because you can maybe see a future fulfilment, doesn't mean the past ones are false...

Btw, I've never heard of the seven last plagues being placed in the past by the pioneers. If you have proof of this, please present it as I'm a BIG pioneer truth believer and I want to know if an obvious false statement was made.

 

[MidnightCry]

The pioneers put the prophesies in the past because there is credibule historical evidence that coincides with the timeline of the prophesies. Another thing that we as Adventists don't always give credit to, is that these people were lead by the Holy Spirit in their study of these things. To say, as some you have, that some of the pioneer understanding is correct while some is not, casts doubt on it all. Could it be that some of it we are comfortable accepting and some, that we perhaps don't like? I haven't heard any alternative explainations for these prophesies other than to say they are all future, which isn't any proof at all.

The are many examples of dual and even some triple applications of prophesies in the Bible, so just because you can maybe see a future fulfilment, doesn't mean the past ones are false...

Btw, I've never heard of the seven last plagues being placed in the past by the pioneers. If you have proof of this, please present it as I'm a BIG pioneer truth believer and I want to know if an obvious false statement was made.

The Millerites put the seven seal, seven trumpets, Two Witnesses and even the seven last plagues into past centuries for a simple reason. The Millerites believed the world would end in 1844; therefore, they reasoned, everything in Bible prophecy must be fulfilled prior to 1844. To make the book of Revelation meet their prophetic needs, they researched history and invented "hirotrical fulfillments."

During the period between 1844 and 1863, members of what would become the SDA church reexamined Miller's views and they made a few prophetic changes. Perhaps the most notable change, in terms of timing, concerned the worship of the beast in Revelation 13:8 and the seven last plagues. Since nothing occurred in 1844, these events were moved into the future.

You can read about this in: Prophetic Faith of our Fathers, vol IV, by LeRoy Edwin Froom, a SDA minister and historian.

I am sure you are familiar with his work, bth, since you believe in truth and have stuided the early pioneers's prophetic beliefs.

It always amazes me how members of a church will hang on to traditions and beliefs that are outdated and have been proven to be incorrect. Its the very same thing the SDA accuses others churches of doing.

I believe that God sheds more light on His word as we are closer to the fulfillment of a particular prophecy. There is no better way to destroy the intended meaning of "the more sure word" of Bible prophecy than to declare prophetic elements symbolic which God has not made symbolic.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I believe that God sheds more light on His word as we are closer to the fulfillment of a particular prophecy. There is no better way to destroy the intended meaning of "the more sure word" of Bible prophecy than to declare prophetic elements symbolic which God has not made symbolic.

Please share with us this new light so we can study it out for ourselves... if it's something new we need to know, you would be compelled to do share it with the brethren, right?

Regarding your last statement, I can't think of any prophesy that doesn't use figurative language.

 

[MidnightCry]

Please share with us this new light so we can study it out for ourselves... if it's something new we need to know, you would be compelled to do share it with the brethren, right?

Regarding your last statement, I can't think of any prophesy that doesn't use figurative language.

Isaiah 7: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 24:2 "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

Deut:28:53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you.

That figurative language will get you every time.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Isaiah 7: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 24:2 "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

Deut:28:53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you.

That figurative language will get you every time.

Good points... I was more refering to end time prophesy but you are right, not all prophesy uses figurative language.

 

[MidnightCry]

Sorry, ECR, my answer was a little uncalled for. There are three types of prophecy: messianic, local prophecies, and apocalyptic prophecies. I was pretty sure you meant apocalyptic prophecy, but since you didn't specify in your comment, I couldn't resist listing a few verses.

I want to clarify my statement, maybe God doesn't give us new light or new truths, but He opens our eyes to what has been in His word all along. We just have been blinded by things we learned while growing up and doctrines and beliefs of the particular church we belong to.

There are many different interpretations of Bible prophecy. Shouldn't there be only one correct interpretation? Why is there so much confusion? One reason is that we have alot of diversity among people, culture and religions. Also the Bible is very complex. And it seems that every church tries to harmonize prophecy with their own church doctrine or core beliefs.

Go to ten different churches and you will get ten different views of the end times. It's enough to drive you crazy when you are searching for the truth.
Every church believes they have the truth, their way is right and every other church is wrong. Every church thinks they have been appointed to give God's truth and only they have the correct truth.

Well, not every church is correct, so there will be alot of disappointed and bitter people at some point in time.

Also the population of the world is about seven billion people. How will God speak to everyone in every religious system at the same time? The Bible says the Gospel will go to the whole world and then the end will come. Well, how is that going to happen when rebellion and degeneracy are increasing; also secularism is increasing and church attendance is decreasing. There are about 1.5 billion muslims. What are the chances of a muslim converting to christianity? Did you know that only about 5% of people change religions, the other 95% stay the same? And yet Jesus died for everyone. Jesus loves all of us. We are all His children.

So is all this diversity a problem for God? Not at all. He is the one who created it at the Tower of Babel. He separate people at the Tower of Babel and then He separated the nations (Gen 10:25 ) by pulling the earth apart. He placed oceans, mountains, deserts in our way so one group of people could not dominate the whole earth. So religious and political diversity was created by God.

So now God has to get everyone attention and speak to everyone so He can fairly separate the sheep and the goats at the time of the end. How does He do this?

I believe seal four will be opened by Jesus and the first four destructive judgements will occur. First there will be a global earthquake. (Rev. 8:2). That way God breaks up the earth. Roads, banking, communication, etc. will no longer exist. People will finally wake up (because people in and out of the church are asleep, just like the ten virgins). God will have everyone's undivided attention. People will be saying, "OK, God, what do you want?"
Everyone in every nation will be listening to see what God has to say.

 

[Princessdi]

ECR, frankly for me. I would rather have the biblical text and then some reference in a EGW book. They are not equal in authority, EGW said that herself.. Neither are EGW's writings a continuation of the Bible. I know these seem to be subtle/ minor issues, but is does make a huge difference in perception.

You are SDA, do you accept SOP as any authority?

And why does it have to come from Revelation? There are maany, many end time prophesy's throughout the Bible. The OT is chock full... read 1 Cor 10:11 for NT support of this.