What is the mechanism to stop "kinds"from turning into other "kinds"?

[Motherofkittens]

What is the mechanism and how does it work that stops accumulated mutations from accumulating to the point of classifying the organism as, creationists say "something completely different "?

Because there are millions of pieces of evidence that says that can happen then it is certainly up to those that say it cannot to produce even more evidence for that position.

And of course it is entirely possible. I'd just like to know if it is fact, and if so, how does it work.

Thanks. By the way, I have read a lot of creationist literature ( but unfortunately it is quite lacking) and in fact I was raised a creationist. I'd be happy to accept it as long as there is good evidence for it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well, let's see: YHWH created all things to reproduce after their own kind.

For 6000 years (5778yrs?) this has been happening every day, with no exceptions (and no exceptions expected or possible).

Cats birth cats, dogs birth dogs, elephants birth elephants....


So, what's the question ?
...

 

[DennisTate]

What I wrote does not relate to genetics but you may find this interesting anyway.

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

[pitabread]

The general form of argument I've seen is that "information" in the genome cannot be created via natural processes, only destroyed. Ergo, going from say single celled life to multi-cellular and diversifying accordingly wouldn't be able to happen. At least according to creationists.

The problem with the argument is that 'information' is a nebulous term that creationists typically don't define. Thus arguing over creation or destruction of said information ends up being equally nebulous.

And what we have seen in nature is that there aren't necessary boundaries or limits placed upon genetic change and consequently morphological development, outside of basic limits around biochemistry and physics (i.e. it's unlikely we're going to see the X-Men evolve any time soon. )

I think the biggest problem is purely one of conceptualization. It's impossible to truly conceptualize how much genetic change/diversification is possible over the ~4 billion years of life's history. Consequently, people tend to view organisms as relatively static, based on their own brief glimpse of current biodiversity.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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wrong thread for Divine Knowledge....

 

[pat34lee]

DNA. Like a computer program, it is only good for
one type of organism. Each 'kind' of plant and animal
require a specific OS, or DNA; written exclusively for them.

 

[jax5434]

It has nothing to do with creationism but the term you may be looking for is "Genetic Tide". Even if a beneficial mutations occurs in an individual it still faces an extremely difficult battle to get established across the entire species. It is more likely that the beneficial mutation will be overwhelmed by the established genetic blueprint than that it will get "fixed" within the species.
There is actually an excellent and relatively recent example of this. In 1973 horse racings Triple Crown featured the two best thoroughbreds in history. Secretariat and Sham. Secretariat won the triple crown that year but in both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness both he and Sham broke the existing record times. The Belmont would probably have been the same had Sham not broken a cannon bone early in the race.
upon their deaths it was found that both horses had healthy but extremely large hearts. Shams' was about twice the size of a normal healthy horses heart. Secretariats was about 2 1/2 times.
Such a mutation would be extremely beneficial. They could run further, faster any than horses in history. After they were retired they were both put out to stud. But as of now nearly 50 years and several generations later none of their progeny has shown that mutation.
The moral is that even mutations that benefit an individual tremendously seldom become established species wide. To become an entirely new species thousands (at least) small beneficial mutations have to be preserved thru many generations.

Evolution may or may not be true (all truth is Gods truth). But many people, including me, have serious doubts that the selection method, chance and random mutation, have the ability to produce the variety of life we see around us.

God Bless
Jax

 

[pitabread]

DNA. Like a computer program, it is only good for
one type of organism. Each 'kind' of plant and animal
require a specific OS, or DNA; written exclusively for them.

Arguably, every single organism has DNA unique to them. However, this doesn't answer what would prevent DNA changes via evolutionary mechanisms from creating subsequent biodiversity.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the mechanism and how does it work that stops accumulated mutations from accumulating to the point of classifying the organism as, creationists say "something completely different "?

God is a god of borders ...

Psalm 74:17a Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:

... and He has set a border that kinds cannot cross.

 

[pitabread]

... and He has set a border that kinds cannot cross.

Which isn't a particularly useful answer unless one can demonstrate the actual "borders" with respect to biology.

Creationists have yet to do so.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Which isn't a particularly useful answer unless one can demonstrate the actual "borders" with respect to biology.......

'borders'....
There's always a fence around the zoo......

 

[AV1611VET]

Which isn't a particularly useful answer unless one can demonstrate the actual "borders" with respect to biology.

Looks like you're SOL (short on luck) then.

That border could be anything: short time, obedience to a command of God he issued at creation, extinction, anything.

Creationists have yet to do so.

The border would be invisible and immune to detection.

 

[pitabread]

The border would be invisible and immune to detection.

If that's the case then it makes more sense to conclude no such 'border' exist in the first place.

Or to put it more succinctly: you're just making it all up.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

...
The border would be invisible and immune to detection.

...
hmm... like the rest of the fence between the states and mexico?

 

[AV1611VET]

If that's the case then it makes more sense to conclude no such 'border' exist in the first place.

When God sets up an invisible fence, it's invisible!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When God sets up an invisible fence, it's invisible!

YES.

Like the veil over the minds of men everywhere - invisible but its effects, seen by those redeemed, in everyone.....

 

[pitabread]

When God sets up an invisible fence, it's invisible!

You should try reading "The Dragon in My Garage" by Carl Sagan some time. It will help illustrate the inanity of answers like the above.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeah, right..... read what the enemy says, about what the enemy wants everyone to believe, .....

instead of sticking to the simple [obvious] truth.....

ha ha ha

 

[pitabread]

Yeah, right..... read what the enemy says, about what the enemy wants everyone to believe, .....

If your beliefs are so fragile that you can't read something you may disagree with then you might want to reconsider the basis for your beliefs.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If your beliefs are so fragile that you can't read something you may disagree with then you might want to reconsider the basis for your beliefs.

OR,
since the CREATOR of ALL THINGS, gave HIS WORD to men to know the TRUTH
(those who are willing)
then
why not you agree with TRUTH?

YHWH said there is the devil opposed to the TRUTH, and the whole world UNDER the devil ALWAYS
always opposes the TRUTH and
will NEVER choose to love the TRUTH....

so there are ALWAYS TWO SIDES, and they cannot mix.