What is the Human Condition?

[tucker58]

What is the human condition? And this, every religion (except the Satanist religion) has an approach that is an attempt, to present a way, to get beyond "The Human Condition."

They all do. The question becomes, "Who's way is best?" All religions claim that they work, in some sense of the word "work", as a way to get beyond the human condition. And we will define "religion" as a belief in a "Higher Source" that is called, "God the Supreme" (and we should include "The Great Spirit and the Divine Mother" as apart of things as a religion)."

Just love,

tuck

 

[Eudaimonist]

What is the human condition? And this, every religion (except the Satanist religion) has an approach that is an attempt, to present a way, to get beyond "The Human Condition."

Can you give some examples? For instance, how does Taoism do this?

Personally, I doubt you'll get a unique answer to this question. Each religion will identify that which it seeks to rise above differently.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[variant]

What is the human condition? And this, every religion (except the Satanist religion) has an approach that is an attempt, to present a way, to get beyond "The Human Condition."

Being sentient, cognizant of ones own mortality and the sentience of other humans, and not knowing why or what to do about it.

They all do. The question becomes, "Who's way is best?" All religions claim that they work, in some sense of the word "work", as a way to get beyond the human condition. And we will define "religion" as a belief in a "Higher Source" that is called, "God the Supreme" (and we should include "The Great Spirit and the Divine Mother" as apart of things as a religion)."

Just love,

tuck

Religions attempt to fill in the blanks, they are prime examples of the manifestation of the human condition in my opinion, they do it well in the sense that they are believed, they do it poorly because they rely on belief.

 

[tucker58]

Can you give some examples? For instance, how does Taoism do this?

Personally, I doubt you'll get a unique answer to this question. Each religion will identify that which it seeks to rise above differently.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Mark, you have never met a Taoist master

Run your version of the Dao/Tao and we can discuss things.

I have met those people and have studied under them.

just love,

tuck

 

[tucker58]

Being sentient, cognizant of ones own mortality and the sentience of other humans, and not knowing why or what to do about it.



Religions attempt to fill in the blanks, they are prime examples of the manifestation of the human condition in my opinion, they do it well in the sense that they are believed, they do it poorly because they rely on belief.

I love you!

Variant, I would give you an argument that would bring you to your knees if I could. The problem is that you are master and I am learning from you .

just love!

tuck

 

[GrowingSmaller]

The human condition is something like being-in-the-world.

 

[love_123]

maybe human condition is the sinful nature of human,to get beyong that is to live the nature of God, for Christians we live the life of Christ that embraces God's nature.

 

[nolongerhome]

The "Human Condition" is apparently trying to find "meaning" everywhere, even when (or in fact particularly when) there is none.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

The "Human Condition" is apparently trying to find "meaning" everywhere, even when (or in fact particularly when) there is none.

Are you kidding? Most meaning for most people adheres to the quest for subsistence and survival, or other rudimantary concerns like parenthood. Meanings like "cup-water-thirsty-drink" or "child-mine" might not seem like meanings because they are so everyday, but these semantics of everyday existence are at the source of all streams of more abstract thoughts like "water-blessing-God" or "storm-bad karma-repent".

 

[nolongerhome]

I was half-kidding

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I was half-kidding

Ok. Being profound is one thing, but making sense is another.

 

[nolongerhome]

Ok. Being profound is one thing, but making sense is another.

I did make sense.

The human condition is, as you said, being-in-the-world. What does that actually mean, though? It means having needs and desires which must be met through reliance on others and/or the natural world and being constantly bombarded by the stimuli of others and the natural world, which requires us to to find meaning, make sense, of our needs and desires and their relation to things external to us.

Back to what I said earlier, the human condition is therefore to be in a situation of constant search for meaning, the need and desire for it. It is a need and desire which we have a tendency to overflow what you have called the "everyday", in order to impose meaning where there otherwise is no meaning to be found.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I did make sense.

The human condition is, as you said, being-in-the-world. What does that actually mean, though? It means having needs and desires which must be met through reliance on others and/or the natural world and being constantly bombarded by the stimuli of others and the natural world, which requires us to to find meaning, make sense, of our needs and desires and their relation to things external to us.

Back to what I said earlier, the human condition is therefore to be in a situation of constant search for meaning, the need and desire for it. It is a need and desire which we have a tendency to overflow what you have called the "everyday", in order to impose meaning where there otherwise is no meaning to be found.

Apologies, I was only half serious,

 

[Eudaimonist]

Mark, you have never met a Taoist master

Correct.

Run your version of the Dao/Tao and we can discuss things.

I have met those people and have studied under them.

Then you are the expert. Run yours, and please explain the Taoist concept of the "human condition".


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

IMV, the human condition is rationality, optimism, success, and happiness. The lack of these values is straying from the human condition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[nolongerhome]

IMV, the human condition is rationality, optimism, success, and happiness. The lack of these values is straying from the human condition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Irrationality, pessimism, failure and sadness are just as much of the human condition as rationality, optimism, success, and happiness.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Irrationality, pessimism, failure and sadness are just as much of the human condition as rationality, optimism, success, and happiness.

That depends on how you define the term.

I'm taking the term literally -- the human condition. The condition of living a human life. A rational, optimistic, successful, and happy life is more fully human than one riddled with irrationality, pessimism, failure, and sadness, because it fulfills our human potentials better. It is a more fully human mode of living. Our humanity is more fully actualized.

So, I've turned the concept of the "human condition" on its head. Instead of making the quality of living a human life shameful and flawed, I'm suggesting that it is actually what is successful and complete. We do not aspire to be more than human, but to be fully human.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[nolongerhome]

That depends on how you define the term.

I'm taking the term literally -- the human condition. The condition of living a human life. A rational, optimistic, successful, and happy life is more fully human than one riddled with irrationality, pessimism, failure, and sadness, because it fulfills our human potentials better. It is a more fully human mode of living. Our humanity is more fully actualized.

So, I've turned the concept of the "human condition" on its head. Instead of making the quality of living a human life shameful and flawed, I'm suggesting that it is actually what is successful and complete. We do not aspire to be more than human, but to be fully human.


eudaimonia,

Mark

My point is not that living a human life is shameful and flawed. I'm saying it is as shameful and flawed as it is succesful and complete. The human condition is as much about our positive potentials as it is about our negative potentials - indeed, without the negative we would not be able to define any positive. The fact of the matter is that living a human life is as much about our failure to reach our potential as it is that aspirational potential.

I think your view is naively one sided. I don't seek to replace it with another one-sided perspective - rather I would have it completed by its inverses, all of which are as inseparably human as the concepts you put forward.

 

[tucker58]

Correct.



Then you are the expert. Run yours, and please explain the Taoist concept of the "human condition".


eudaimonia,

Mark

I love you! that was well said.

The human condition is, "not going with the "flow". When one is going with the "flow" they are then not a part of the human condition, they are walking the Dao. The Dao as you know can not be explained with words.

love,

tuck

 

[tucker58]

IMV, the human condition is rationality, optimism, success, and happiness. The lack of these values is straying from the human condition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I think that your are stating what the human condition should be and not what it actually is. You are a master walking with the Dao.

and you are technically not an atheist. Mark you are out there where things are interesting and where very few people ever get to experience it.

I play a game and you do not have too. I acknowledge you as a master. I am not in your weight class

love,

tuck