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notto said:Without context, those quotes mean nothing. Simple dishonist quote mining by creationists, which it typical. I would suggest that Satan is repsonsible for the dishonesty shown in such exercises because clearly there is an intent to mislead and bear false witness.
Here is the article that the quote from Ruse comes from. It is plainly obvious that the quote is out of context.
Try again.
http://www.jodkowski.pl/ek/MRuse002.html
Notice the conclusion.
Is it safe to say that you haven't read any of the original material that those quotes came from?cindymc said:I never stated that all of those quotes were by creationists. Also, simply quoting someone doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything that person has ever said. I don't agree with his conclusion, but I do agree with his assertion that evolution has become like a religion. That was my point.
Now I'm utterly confused.... Evolution says nothing about anything that is supernatural, nor does it say anything about what is ethical, nor does it answer the reason for our existence. Evolution isn't religion in so far as it doesn't answer these questions and doesn't attempt to do so. Unless I'm confused about what a religion is, in which case I beg that you enlighten me...Freedom777 said:Wrong, the theory of evolution is a relgion not science.
cindymc said:*sigh* Where's the head beating against a brick wall smiley when you need it?
Great sig, it demonstrates my point nicely. Evolution is not a religion, it is science. Just ask the scientists who work with it (and honestly read their work instead of quote mining from a secondary source who's intent is to deceive you).cindymc said:That wasn't a quote I posted, that was just my new sig.
And I have to disagree with you that Darwinian evolution is 'science', or at least good science.
How does he sound like an atheist? Did he say that God doesn't exist? Don't accuse somebody of something if you can't back it up.cindymc said:First of all... you sound more like an atheist than a Christian. Second, he isn't the one talking in the book, he's a journalist, not a scientist. A number of scientists are interviewed.
(I can already hear what your next comment is going to be...)
I'm sure according to you, any scientist who doesn't believe in evolution, isn't a scientist.
Just read the book.
Here.cindymc said:*sigh* Where's the head beating against a brick wall smiley when you need it?
You say that with such enthusiasm, but I must ask you this. Doesn't the word science imply anything found within its realm of study to be scientifically proven facts. As far as I know most evolutionary science isn't something that is easily proven, nor is it agreed upon by everyone. Last time I checked evolution wasn't considered a science but a theory, is this no longer true?notto said:He is NOT saying that evolution has become like a religion in the same sense you are implying. The science of evolution is nothing like a religion and he clearly says that. The science taught in the classroom is NOT like a religion which was your original point. IT IS SCIENCE.
In order to evaluate your definition of science it would helpful to us lurkers if you would please expatiate on what you mean by "proven scientifically". Also many people would find your remark about evolution being "nothing but a theory", some would interpret that as misleading because the colloquial defintion of theory and the usage in the professional are slightly different. The colloquial definition is that a theory is an unsupported guess, this is similar to the scientist's definition of hypothesis. The scientist would define theory as an idea which has supporting evidence (I'm not 100% sure about how much evidence).vossler said:You emphasize that evolution is science. Help me to understand your strong belief that it is. For my rather limited mind science means that it can be proven scientifically. Evolution, as far as I know is nothing but a theory. If I'm wrong please enlighten.
That is a very interesting definition of science. What of the science of medical research? Is the search for a cure for cancer not science? And yet, there is (as of yet) no clear (direct) evidence for many aspects of what causes cancer to erupt in some, yet not others. Is this really a definition of science or of fact? Much of science is not based on fact, but on theories, suggesting that there is always room to learn more. The beginning of wisdom, as the expression goes, is to say, "I don't know."vossler said:Like I said I'm a simple guy and to me any sort of science is going to be based on irrefuteable evidence. It should have clear evidence to substantiate its assertions. I just can't see how evolution can make that claim.
Why don't you ask someone at the creation/evolution forum (The non-christian only one) they have plenty of evidence, but you might also checkout the talk.origin's website. I just found a thread which asked for transitional fossils on that forum. And speciation has been observed, I might have to look for it so give me little while on that claim please.vossler said:Like I said I'm a simple guy and to me any sort of science is going to be based on irrefuteable evidence. It should have clear evidence to substantiate its assertions. I just can't see how evolution can make that claim.
The evidence for evolution is as strong as it is in any other science.vossler said:Thanks DA,
It looks like I don't have a clear definition of what science is. Interesting! So I suppose my question is how can evolution receive so much credibility with so little evidence?
vossler said:Thanks DA,
It looks like I don't have a clear definition of what science is. Interesting! So I suppose my question is how can evolution receive so much credibility with so little evidence?
Wellllll you see... a science is pretty much the empirical study of any particular discipline. We could have Vosslerology if we were to do an indepth study and experimentation on yourself. (Definitions will vary slightly of course.) Thus, you can have evolutionary science simply if you study the theory of evolution through observation and experimentation. Both of which are done regularly.vossler said:Doesn't the word science imply anything found within its realm of study to be scientifically proven facts. As far as I know most evolutionary science isn't something that is easily proven, nor is it agreed upon by everyone. Last time I checked evolution wasn't considered a science but a theory, is this no longer true?
I'm no whiz at this stuff, I'm just a simple guy with simple questions so please don't jump on me too hard.
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