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Oh we know that it is millions of years older than that. And your upper limit is a bit high. It would be wise to try to learn the difference between mere belief and knowledge.
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Oh we know that it is millions of years older than that. And your upper limit is a bit high. It would be wise to try to learn the difference between mere belief and knowledge.If some think the Grand Canyon is 70 million years old, I won't dispute that.
But what I will dispute is anyone who says that the Grand Canyon existed prior to around 2345 BC.
Give or take a few years.
You forgot about plate tectonics. The Gulf of California did not exist always in its present form. Many of the sediments are in California's Central Valley. The opening of the Gulf of California is a recent event, geologically. It did not exist when the Grand Canyon first began to form:
The California River and its role in carving Grand Canyon | GSA Bulletin | GeoScienceWorld
As I said, I can live with that.Oh we know that it is millions of years older than that.
Yeah, you are a YEC.As I said, I can live with that.
They can even say it's a quintrillion years old if they want to believe that.
Just don't tell me it existed prior to circa 2350 BC and expect me to believe it.
I often ignore strange creationese."Cliffs not worn as they should be" is an odd thing to say.
Wonder what the basis is.
People that can reason rationally will believe it. There is no way to predict what people that refuse to reason rationally will believe. Who knows, they might even believe in a lying God. Creationists far to often claim that atheists try to refute Genesis, when it was Christian scientists that first refuted those stories.As I said, I can live with that.
They can even say it's a quintrillion years old if they want to believe that.
Just don't tell me it existed prior to circa 2350 BC and expect me to believe it.
Beliefs come and go .. some are testable some aren't. Science grabs the useful ones whenever they appear. The questions you pose, which drive your fascination with these topics, aren't useful questions in science.
My personal quest in life, is to distinguish any and all beliefs (be they theistic, atheistic etc). I do not support indulgence in untestable beliefs and opinions ..
Now: whaddya need ta call that, again, (ie: purely for your own benefit .. because I, myself, couldn't care less what its called)?
No interest .. (as I've informed you before).
So you already knew the answer to your question before you demanded my explanation?
No, this is what I've seen. Half a dozen people on here saying emphatically. "It happened this way!" Never mind that other theories have already been thought to be correct and dismissed.That is what you believe because it is what you expect because it is what you believe. Ad infinitum!
In other words a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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It is hard to say, the quote has all of the hallmarks of being a quote mine. When a creationist does not supply a link to the original source one could make a fortune by consistently betting that it is an example of quote mining.You did not see that comes from someone who wrote a book
against yec- interpretation of the canyon.
No "lol" about it. I provided an image earlier, perhaps in another thread, so I will post it again. This image alone shows that the Grand Canyon took millions of years to form:Lol, so you say.
Sorry, that is a false dichotomy. There may be some unanswered questions. That does not mean that they are guessing. Guessing is what creationists do. Real scientist form testable hypotheses.That's why I say there is guessing involved. There can't be competing theories otherwise.
Can you list or quote them? I am not aware that any of us have said any such thing. What I have seen are people saying that it didn't happen your way, which is not the same thing at all.No, this is what I've seen. Half a dozen people on here saying emphatically. "It happened this way!" Never mind that other theories have already been thought to be correct and dismissed.
Nope. You live and die by the false dichotomy. No one is "guessing". Well, except for creationists of course.You just contradicted yourself. Again.
Whatever you do, don't ask how we got our moon!No, this is what I've seen. Half a dozen people on here saying emphatically. "It happened this way!" Never mind that other theories have already been thought to be correct and dismissed.
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