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Hi - thanks for the link.
Can you explain to me how you understood that the author reached this conclusion?
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EDIT: I just found this. Gary Habermas fits your expectations of an author, don't worry. He argues that the evidence is inconclusive for the resurrection..
Can you explain to me how you understood that the author reached this conclusion?
While we have this mystery and some factual evidence in favor of Jesus resurrection, additional data from other sources are needed in order to reach a final position.
The final section specifically states that no definite position can be made:
He certainly seems to lean toward the resurrection being true, but he is a Christian so that is to be expected.
which demonstrate that Habermas is more than convinced in his arguments and debates for the evidence of the resurrection...
Of course he believes it's true, but he also realises that from an objective point of view more evidence is needed. You need non-Christian sources if you're trying to put forward a solid argument, otherwise it's the equivalent of all the witnesses in a trial being the defendant's best friends.
One decent eyewitness, after all, is not nearly good enough for a claim as extraordinary as the resurrection (people can be fooled). It's not like we're dealing with a normal event here, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This is especially true for a claim that states that it is possible to return from the dead.
It's also important to remember that no one actually saw Jesus rise from the dead; there are no witnesses to the resurrection itself, just the apparent aftermath (a living Jesus).
But he did that though didn't he? We've just discussed the chapter is his book which discussed the secular sources of evidence (45 sources if I remember correctly)
So this, plus the biblical evidence is more than comprehensive.
Jesus appeared to approx 500 at one time after he had been resurrected as stated by Paul (1 Corinthians 15:6)
That's irrelevant.
You don't need to witness a murder if you find a dead body with multiple stab wounds. You don't need to witness a burglary to your house if you come home and find half of your possessions have been stolen....
Jesus appeared to approx 500 at one time after he had been resurrected as stated by Paul (1 Corinthians 15:6)
That's still one eyewitness, just an eyewitness who claims that there are 500 others.
Anyway, let's leave this tangent for a moment and head back towards the main topic. If we assume that Jesus did indeed rise from the dead, how do you get from there to the existence of God?
1)If God does not exist then miracles cannot happen.
2)The resurrection of Christ is a miracle, and could not have happened without God.
-It also serves as another piece of historically accurate evidence that would justify the view that The Bible is an accurate body of work, as well as divinely inspired.
Interesting assertion. Why?
How do you know that it was a miracle inspired by God and not just a body starting to function again?
So historical accuracy implies divine inspiration? To claim that this only applies to the Bible is special pleading, so are history textbooks divinely inspired?
To enter 'Heaven 'requires that we pass a series of 'tests' .We must prepare for a higher way of being ,and this is a long process which has been going on since Creation. Unlike most christians I do not believe we are created at birth : we have already been given opportunities to decide whether or not we like,love this Christ. But on the bible being made up by ... .I will not give you the argument that those who like Christ,read the new testament especially, get the gift of the Holy Spirit which opens up the mind and heart to the existence ,experience of God, and His plans for us... No I will not do that . Instead I will tell you that in the sky, all the answers are there ,in a measurable, if in a not too easy formula for one to 'read'. However God does not want us to study Him as though He was a specimen for scientific research ,and then decide that we might or might not accept Him. Instead He has given His laws, and what He is, and who He is, through those who have found the secret to having a relationship with Him, know, not only that He exists, but are transformed by this relationship, which is like no other. That is all in the bible . We must make at least the time ,and the effort to read it ,or get some help in doing so.** Nothing that is worthwhile can be got by simply demanding to have it. Jesus knew that some need proof more than others, like 'doubting Thomas',who needed to put his hands in Christ's wounds,before he would have belief, He was risen from the dead.Disclaimer: I am still a Christian.
I think the best evidence against the "Christian" God is that noone can prove that the "bible" wasn't just made up by various humans. Sometimes I think God is His own worst enemy. He could've made it rediculously clear what is required of man in order to please him...IF he exists. And DON'T tell me it IS clear. If it were so, there wouldn't be THOUSANDS of Christian denominations around the world. There would truly be one church!
To enter 'Heaven 'requires that we pass a series of 'tests' .We must prepare for a higher way of being ,and this is a long process which has been going on since Creation.
You are clearly young ,and have little experience,therefore you 'see' onlyWhy should I believe otherwise, aside from early childhood socialization/brainwashing, enhanced perhaps if you have the genetic predisposition to believe fantastically ridculous things. For those of us predisposed to careful and critical intellectual examination, logic, reason, and evidence (i.e., for those of us who are smart and who were not derailed at a young age by feeble parents desperate to find security in their inane views by forcefully injecting their kids with the same delusions, thereby weaving a sticky web of social support for lunacy), the world as it is--as it appears and is perceived by the sane and honest among us--will do just fine.
You are clearly young ,and have little experience,therefore you 'see' only
a tiny,minute,fraction of most existence, never mind that of endless universes,dimensions etc.
And some, [people,souls], come equiped to receive and know God, and some don't have that
'equipment', better known to Christians ,as the gift of the Holy Spirit. Without this gift,
withheld from those who deny the existence of Gods/Holy Spirit,who, not having recieved
this essentielle 'insight' ,will perish eventually .They are limited to short term material gains,
which they mistake for their own .
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