What is sin?

fwiwwl · Nov 12, 2006

ArchangelGabriel said:
Is sin an act that is condemned by God or is it an act that goes against God?

rephrase: Is sinning doing something that God said not to. Or is sinning doing the opposite or what God is(supports, stands for, does)

[FONT=&quot]Sin ? What is considered the underlying cause of all sin? What was the nature of Adam that caused the separation between man and mans Father? He ate of the fruit of a tree.that seems like a silly reason to be cast out of Gods presence. What was the sin there? How about lust of the eye, lust of the flesh and lust of the pride? It wasnt three fruits but one. Couldnt we wrap these up in one and call it the fruit of self-centeredness. Isnt this what opposes being God centered? Now that we our in Adam and self-centered we have a horned man in a red jumpsuit that knows how to keep us self-centered! Being self-centered is the sin principle and keeps us from our Father. On the other hand, being God centered can only be achieved by dying to self-centeredness and living In Christ Jesus. The only Way back to walking in the garden with our Father is in the nature Him who is and always was God centered[/FONT]

Zeena · Nov 12, 2006

fwiwwl said:
[FONT=&quot]Sin ? What is considered the underlying cause of all sin? What was the nature of Adam that caused the separation between man and mans Father? He ate of the fruit of a tree.that seems like a silly reason to be cast out of Gods presence. What was the sin there? How about lust of the eye, lust of the flesh and lust of the pride? It wasnt three fruits but one. Couldnt we wrap these up in one and call it the fruit of self-centeredness. Isnt this what opposes being God centered? Now that we our in Adam and self-centered we have a horned man in a red jumpsuit that knows how to keep us self-centered! Being self-centered is the sin principle and keeps us from our Father. On the other hand, being God centered can only be achieved by dying to self-centeredness and living In Christ Jesus. The only Way back to walking in the garden with our Father is in the nature Him who is and always was God centered[/FONT]

Praise God!
And this 'New Nature' is the one your recieved if you've recieved Jesus as your Lord and Saviour

Zeena · Nov 12, 2006

picnic said:
sin is rebellion against God.

That's actually the fruit of sin..Sin itself runs much deeper than that..

It's the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil which puffs up, and causes man to become so overinflated he cannot even see God!

There were two tree's in the garden..

hlaltimus · Nov 13, 2006

ArchangelGabriel said:
Is sin an act that is condemned by God or is it an act that goes against God?

rephrase: Is sinning doing something that God said not to. Or is sinning doing the opposite or what God is(supports, stands for, does)

Sin is the commital of that which God has previously condemned by way of decree. When Jesus condemned covetousness in Luke 12:15, he condemned only the principle of the sin of covetousness. However, when Judas sold our Savior out for thirty pieces of silver, he was then condemned physically to perdition for the act of covetousness, which act he never properly repented of.

ReluctantProphet · Nov 14, 2006

ArchangelGabriel said:
Is sin an act that is condemned by God or is it an act that goes against God?

rephrase: Is sinning doing something that God said not to. Or is sinning doing the opposite or what God is(supports, stands for, does)

This is a subject that I could really get deeply into with exact details concerning, cause, ramifications, cures, and the whole 10 yards. But the bottom line to the question as stated is simply, "Both".

The word "sin" actually means "missing the mark" and refers scripturally to making a poor judgment in spirit. It can be validly said that the Father of ALL sin is the lust to draw conclusion.

There are a variety of valid cures although a single individual cannot be void of sin totally. It requires a congregation to actually remove sin from the members within. But that congregation has to really know the real details of what they are doing. It isn't as simple as churches seem to think (even the very intellectual or highly spiritual ones), but still doable and explainable.

The principles of Jesus were mostly about how to cure the problem as a group and thus be able to truly live with God eternally. I find very few who actually understand that and thus preach all kinds of things.

The real question is, "How much trouble would you really be willing to go through to prevent it?"

Zeena · Nov 14, 2006

hlaltimus said:
Sin is the commital of that which God has previously condemned by way of decree. When Jesus condemned covetousness in Luke 12:15, he condemned only the principle of the sin of covetousness. However, when Judas sold our Savior out for thirty pieces of silver, he was then condemned physically to perdition for the act of covetousness, which act he never properly repented of.

Sin is NOT the commital of sinful acts..

It goes deeper than that..

James 1:15
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Adventtruth · Nov 17, 2006

ArchangelGabriel said:
Is sin an act that is condemned by God or is it an act that goes against God?

rephrase: Is sinning doing something that God said not to. Or is sinning doing the opposite or what God is(supports, stands for, does)

Sin is defind as a "missing of the mark" with God. This is how we come into the world...missing the mark before we have done anything. Roman 5:12 We die becasue we have all sinned in Adam.

Sin is also defind as one who commits acts of sin. We all do this.

Sin is also defind as one who does not know how to regulate his behavour with God...tis is also sin.

It is not the acts of sin that send us to hell. It is the fact we are born sinners or in a state or position of sin (Missing the mark with God) and are not covered by the righteousness of Christ. Once we are covered by Christ blood, then we are not missing the mark with God.

Adventtruth

armothe · Nov 21, 2006

fwiwwl said:
[FONT=&quot]Being self-centered is the sin principle and keeps us from our Father. On the other hand, being God centered can only be achieved by dying to self-centeredness and living In Christ Jesus. The only Way back to walking in the garden with our Father is in the nature Him who is and always was God centered[/FONT]

This is wishful thinking. Even though we are God-Centered, we are still self-centered. If being self-centered is what separates us from God then nobody is in God's presence except Christ. It took an action from God to remove that separation between us.

-A

Mercyman · Nov 24, 2006

Here's maybe a similar or different take on sin. Perhaps sin is the product of walking according to the flesh. The flesh provides the seed, and the soul is the womb. When the soul is enticed, it may union with with the flesh. The offspring is sin. When it is fully grown, sin becomes death.

Sin does not need the law to exist. The law reveals the destructiveness of sin, and acts as a catalyst in the union between the flesh and soul. It is those who realize that they are in the throes of death and totally enslaved which cry out for a saviour/deliverer.

The term "missing the mark" is a Greek concept. I'm not sure that this is what the New Testament writers had in mind when they use hamartia. To the Greeks, righteousness or virtue had everything to do with achieving accurate, balanced, or mean behaviours. The notion of hopeless enslavement to sin, and the need for an outside saviour/deliverer would have been foreign (and most likely repugnant) to Greek thinkers such as Plato and Aristotle.

Thoughts?

Adventtruth · Nov 24, 2006

Mercyman said:
Here's maybe a similar or different take on sin. Perhaps sin is the product of walking according to the flesh. The flesh provides the seed, and the soul is the womb. When the soul is enticed, it may union with with the flesh. The offspring is sin. When it is fully grown, sin becomes death.

This is not the biblical understanding of sin. Sin is a princple that is in us, not a product of walking according to the flesh. If you are infact saying that walking according to the flesh is a manifestation of the sin principle within, then yes I agree, but everyone born has this principle or law of sin within (Rom 7:21, 23)

Sin does not need the law to exist. The law reveals the destructiveness of sin, and acts as a catalyst in the union between the flesh and soul. It is those who realize that they are in the throes of death and totally enslaved which cry out for a saviour/deliverer.

The term "missing the mark" is a Greek concept. I'm not sure that this is what the New Testament writers had in mind when they use hamartia. To the Greeks, righteousness or virtue had everything to do with achieving accurate, balanced, or mean behaviours. The notion of hopeless enslavement to sin, and the need for an outside saviour/deliverer would have been foreign (and most likely repugnant) to Greek thinkers such as Plato and Aristotle.

Thoughts?

The term "missing the mark" is taken directly from Vines. The definition may have it roots in the Greek but discribes that we all are born "missing the mark" with God. We have all missed the target of righteousness and therefore are in need of being brought into "hitting the mark" or bulls eye in what God would have us to be. This can only be had through Jesus Christ and what He has done for all of humanity.

Adventtruth

Hismessenger · Dec 5, 2006

Sin is to be willfully disobedient to God's will. What is His will, to love Him as yourself for the reality is that we don't exsit, He does, and we are only extensions of His will.
Hismessenger

Philip dT · Mar 6, 2007

Sin is to be (or to move) outside of the boundaries of a sanctified, holy relationship with God. Some of the constraints that define these boundaries are:

1) Being in Christ Jesus as the only way, truth and life / to abide in the vine.
2) Being reborn by God's Spirit
3) Living in the realm of Spirit / spirit (and not the flesh).
4) Being influenced / renewed by God's Word continually.
5) Being under God's grace / not under the law.

As I see it, sin is not primarily unsound / wrong deeds as such, but is primarily being defined by your position in Christ. In other words, one can do "good deeds" but outside of Christ everything you are and do is reckoned as being in sin. On the other hand, being in Christ one can do wrong things, but all sin is covered by the blood of Christ and not reckoned as sin. But of course, that is no license to sin, for one can fall from the grace of God.

To summarize, being in sin or not is primarily being defined by one's position in / outside Christ. In fact, it is via these lines of thought that I understand texts like 1 John 3:9 etc.

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