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what is romantic love?

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I just read an article:

what is romantic love?
It is similar to sexual needs. Sex is physical needs. romantic is psy needs.Sex is by nature,psy is by environment n society.When women can be totally independent n take care of all details of her life,there will be no need of the psy spiritual needs. At that time the world "romantic"will be forever left on histroy. only"making love"still remain.Modern society is moving on this direction,v sad.

I can not total agree above words, but i m also wondering if sex is still deep reasons of marriage.of course a married couple should always be together no matter what....
and if the both courting partners r good bro n sis, they already r in Christ family, why still need to get married?
 

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Uh, I don't look at romance for sexual needs. Romance is a wonderful way to show someone you love them and how much you appreciate them. Cook them breakfast, massage them, draw their bath water and put roses in the water, canle lit, or whatever....Its an expression of love not sex. Some people find romance in the simple things like holding hands, reading the bible together, praying together, going grocery shopping together. Some people romance another so they can get some sex but thats not what it means.


I think %70 of people who are married, got married not only because they love that person, (not everyone) but because its hard to stay a virgin/celibate. I do believe a lot of people marry for sex
 
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Lust is the reason for sex.

Many marry for lust, and not for love.

Sadly, when you marry, most never ask the opposite that very important question, "Do you love me?"

Love is found when your heart feels all nice and warm when you are near your partner, friend, or whatever, but if that warmth goes to your genitals, then it's lust.

When your spouse continually shows their love, when you come home from work or shopping or lapse of time they greet you with a hug.

The greatest three little words of married life are:

I love you, I am wrong, I am sorry, Please forgive me, and I forgive you.

Now if you and wife, partner, or friend can say all of those three little words, then you are on your way to LOVE, unconditional love, and sex is the part of such love, but of course you need to be married.

Pride and lust never expresses LOVE.
 
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I think it is a thing of the past, people mary for wealth now, no one has time for a realationship and its needs. divorce is the fashion, usualy a month or two if you are lucky if young peoples role modles are anything to go by, half of them are fixed for p.r.
Well, why do you think so?

Divorce is not of God.

Love is the source of God, and sadly marriages these days are not bound in love. Love is only a word. And it more philander love than agape love.
 
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Well, why do you think so?

Divorce is not of God.

Love is the source of God, and sadly marriages these days are not bound in love. Love is only a word. And it more philander love than agape love.
I dont know, you will have to ask the people who want to marry why they marry?I didnt say divorce was from god, fashion is not from god,marrying is not really following jesus anyway, Dont blame me, jesus was asked about if it was wise to marry and he was not kean towards it (for want of a better word).perhalps some else knows where in the bible this is exactly, I forget but I remember reading it.
 
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I dont know, you will have to ask the people who want to marry why they marry?I didnt say divorce was from god, fashion is not from god,marrying is not really following jesus anyway, Dont blame me, jesus was asked about if it was wise to marry and he was not kean towards it (for want of a better word).perhalps some else knows where in the bible this is exactly, I forget but I remember reading it.

that wasn't jesus.

Here is what happened:

Matthew 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."
11 But He said to them, "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:
12 "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."

Matthew 22: 25 "Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother.
26 "Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh.
27 "Last of all the woman died also.
28 "Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her."
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
31 "But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying,
32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

Paul is the one that said not to marry. There is no mention of him being married, and before he followed the Lord was one of the biggest persecutors of Christians. I believe Paul was given the gift of celibacy. Jesus never condemns marriage himself..

However, Paul didn't actually condemn marriage, and Corinth had been a city of sin when he wrote them(that part can be studied separately so i will quote according to this topic).

1 Corinthians 7: 1 Now about the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to live a celibate life.
2 But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.
3 The husband should not deprive his wife of sexual intimacy, which is her right as a married woman, nor should the wife deprive her husband.
4 The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband also gives authority over his body to his wife.
5 So do not deprive each other of sexual relations. The only exception to this rule would be the agreement of both husband and wife to refrain from sexual intimacy for a limited time, so they can give themselves more completely to prayer. Afterward they should come together again so that Satan won't be able to tempt them because of their lack of self-control.
6 This is only my suggestion. It's not meant to be an absolute rule.
7 I wish everyone could get along without marrying, just as I do. But we are not all the same. God gives some the gift of marriage, and to others he gives the gift of singleness.
8 Now I say to those who aren't married and to widows--it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
9 But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust.
10 Now, for those who are married I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord. A wife must not leave her husband.
11 But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else go back to him. And the husband must not leave his wife.
 
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here is what's more the article is saying"romantic love is after all a deal of emotion. marriage is a deal of body, it is continuing of those romantic love. So if there is business deal, there will be tricky business men.They r using the words of "romantic love" to cheat women, using women for themselves purpose.

(here is a famous writer written about love:True romantic love is to treat the lover who he desires with respect, humble and shy, will not really get to her closer or get intimacy too fast. will not show passionate feelings too fast.)

Anyways, I think for christians should have great love from above? but , I also know so clearly that we all still r humans and living on this earth, life is so hard also similar as business deal.....really finally it makes most marriage a business deal of emotion and body.
 
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that wasn't jesus.

Here is what happened:

Matthew 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."
11 But He said to them, "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:
12 "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."

Matthew 22: 25 "Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother.
26 "Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh.
27 "Last of all the woman died also.
28 "Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her."
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
31 "But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying,
32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

Paul is the one that said not to marry. There is no mention of him being married, and before he followed the Lord was one of the biggest persecutors of Christians. I believe Paul was given the gift of celibacy. Jesus never condemns marriage himself..

However, Paul didn't actually condemn marriage, and Corinth had been a city of sin when he wrote them(that part can be studied separately so i will quote according to this topic).

1 Corinthians 7: 1 Now about the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to live a celibate life.
2 But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.
3 The husband should not deprive his wife of sexual intimacy, which is her right as a married woman, nor should the wife deprive her husband.
4 The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband also gives authority over his body to his wife.
5 So do not deprive each other of sexual relations. The only exception to this rule would be the agreement of both husband and wife to refrain from sexual intimacy for a limited time, so they can give themselves more completely to prayer. Afterward they should come together again so that Satan won't be able to tempt them because of their lack of self-control.
6 This is only my suggestion. It's not meant to be an absolute rule.
7 I wish everyone could get along without marrying, just as I do. But we are not all the same. God gives some the gift of marriage, and to others he gives the gift of singleness.
8 Now I say to those who aren't married and to widows--it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
9 But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust.
10 Now, for those who are married I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord. A wife must not leave her husband.
11 But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else go back to him. And the husband must not leave his wife.
people who have made themself eunuchs for the kingdom!
here this is what jesus himself was, and we are all asked to follow him, so he is saying it is not wise to marry if you can.
 
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Well, i guess everyone has a different idea of what romance is...and it can include intercourse, but true romance is loving someone agape (endless Love). Because if you do not love someone unconditionally, then all that you do....will be limited...and not true. So if you love someone without conditions, then whatever you do with or for them will be to its fullest.
 
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people who have made themself eunuchs for the kingdom!
here this is what jesus himself was, and we are all asked to follow him, so he is saying it is not wise to marry if you can.

You see the verses that say what Jesus said, yet you still argue and try to make marriage seem as sin. Paul is the one that said not to marry. Jesus doesn't discourage marriage in there at all. He discourages divorce and explains to his disciples why their presumptions are wrong.

If you read the verses you would have noticed, yet you didn't fully pay attention. Jesus himself is illustrated as the husband and the church as the wife. God created unity between a man and a woman. Will you argue against God and continue to add to what is put in those verses? What you choose to add to the Bible doesn't count as scripture. What have you against marriage?

If you even read the whole chapter in context of both of what Jesus and Paul said, they didn't say there was anything wrong with marriage. When Paul discouraged marriage, he discouraged it in certain situations. He even began saying celibacy is good, but continued to say that because of what the world had become it is may be best to marry. But one must also keep in mind the fact the circumstances in Corinth which I listed already.

We shouldn't read into what he says, and neither call Paul Jesus. Neither should we add to what Jesus says. Nobody really has the right to try and destroy the gift of marriage which God has given to men and women. This is one gift that remained after the fall of man. It was by marriages that God had Abraham involve with Sarah. Noah himself had a wife. He blessed their family.

The reason Jesus didn't marry is because He was God and He didn't need it. It wasn't because marriage is wrong. He didn't come to earth to make a family. He came for our salvation.

We shouldn't curse the blessing of marriage.

And to discourage marriage is also to discourage romance. Romance was recorded in the Song of Solomon for a reason. It wasn't created as an analogy, yet because God is so wonderful He put gave the writer wisdom to display it in a way, that we could parallel it to His love for us.
 
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Well, i guess everyone has a different idea of what romance is...and it can include intercourse, but true romance is loving someone agape (endless Love). Because if you do not love someone unconditionally, then all that you do....will be limited...and not true. So if you love someone without conditions, then whatever you do with or for them will be to its fullest.

The utopia of words!!!


Dear Malckiah


While ours words describe a utopia the reality of it is its JUST words.

For example:

" Because if you do not love someone unconditionally "

There is NO absolute way this is possible!!!


We fulfill forces that GOD HIMSELF created within us. While HE gave us choices to fulfill these forces we are not content until they are fulfilled.


The force to procreate ways heavy in ALL living creation. We attempt to put all kinds of rules to make this work out. Some work and some don't but procreation keeps going on.



If two (UNKNOWN to each other) humans meet, have sex immediately and become ONE ( marriage ) raise a family and both always keep GOD and HIS WILL at the head of the family they will have the most satisfying life. THIER LOVE FOR EACH OTHER WILL GROW AS FROM A SEED. WHY??? BECAUSE GOD WILLED IT!!!



Now you may well do it another way and it MIGHT or MIGHT NOT work. But if GOD is missing their odds are bad. They may stay together for some reason or other but you can bet the LOVE, PEACE, and HAPPIENESS will never equal the ones above.


IT'S SIMPLE, FOLLOW GOD'S WORD AND REMEMBER:







X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven




 
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I married to allow an undefiled outlet for my lust. That is exactly a very Scriptural reason for marriage: "It is better to marry, than to burn (in lust)." It may not fit with the typical romantic notions, especially of women, but it is a reality that especially men are acutely aware of, and for which God has made provision.

Now, the choice of whom to marry was not one solely, or even primarily, made by lust. It was a reasoned and prayerful conclusion based on her being a Christian, wanting complementary goals in life, parental advice and so on. Thus my mind guided my lust to an appropiate person whom I would not only lust for, but whom I could also love. 24 years and 4 kids later, I still lust for her. Had I no love for her, I am sure my typically male lust would have moved on to another object. However, the power of my love for her fixates it on a single object: my wife. And the Word of God makes this an honorable estate whereby an oath is fulfilled, and a stable enviornment created for the munchkins that have occured from our union. Everybody wins, and God is pleased.

Again IF to get married was a decision based on my lust being so difficult to control. WHOM to marry was a reasoned and prayerful decision.

As to self sufficiency ending romantic love, HAH! Sure, and I supose human nature will change at the snap of a feminist's finger.

My best advice on understanding the needs of men and women is in the following website: loveandrespect.com

It is an expansion of the simple observation in Scripture that men want respect and women want love. In a healthy relationship, this trade of love for respect is a beautiful dance where everybody wins. It requires that both genders understand that the primary need of their mate is different than their own, and the willingness to give that which is needed.

The world is currently awash in the idea that the married man should be disrespected. The last TV show a remember with a healthy marriage was the Cosby show. Then again, I don't watch much TV in part because the portrayal of husbands is so abysmal.

JR
 
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that is also a good post, but i think everybody wants love and respect. But you have made a good point, though you had lust, your love was stronger and kept you focused on your wife. As far as I know, the Bible doesn't say there is anything wrong with lusting after your own spouse. It says not to lust after somebody else, because the context is in the matters of adultery. Lusting after your own spouse whom you love isn't adultery. Yet it shouldn't be the focus of the relationship. And as you have illustrated, it is love and God that keeps it together. That keeps it whole. Yes Paul did illustrate that marriage is better if two cannot control themselves, that their passion for each other will be sanctified. But also when the apostles asked Jesus about marriages, he didn't say not to marry. the apostles said that. Jesus instead left a parable for them to contemplate. Then there is even the fact that God created Eve because God felt that God needed Eve.

what would you say if there is a couple and both have had struggles with lust before. But now one is lusting after the other but not after other people, neither are married to anybody, they both love each other, and they both would be faithful to each other if they were to involve? There is romance with these two, but sometimes there are worries because a person is in need of emotional healing and the other needs to learn to take care of business and manage a relationship better.
 
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You see the verses that say what Jesus said, yet you still argue and try to make marriage seem as sin. Paul is the one that said not to marry. Jesus doesn't discourage marriage in there at all. He discourages divorce and explains to his disciples why their presumptions are wrong.

If you read the verses you would have noticed, yet you didn't fully pay attention. Jesus himself is illustrated as the husband and the church as the wife. God created unity between a man and a woman. Will you argue against God and continue to add to what is put in those verses? What you choose to add to the Bible doesn't count as scripture. What have you against marriage?

If you even read the whole chapter in context of both of what Jesus and Paul said, they didn't say there was anything wrong with marriage. When Paul discouraged marriage, he discouraged it in certain situations. He even began saying celibacy is good, but continued to say that because of what the world had become it is may be best to marry. But one must also keep in mind the fact the circumstances in Corinth which I listed already.

We shouldn't read into what he says, and neither call Paul Jesus. Neither should we add to what Jesus says. Nobody really has the right to try and destroy the gift of marriage which God has given to men and women. This is one gift that remained after the fall of man. It was by marriages that God had Abraham involve with Sarah. Noah himself had a wife. He blessed their family.

The reason Jesus didn't marry is because He was God and He didn't need it. It wasn't because marriage is wrong. He didn't come to earth to make a family. He came for our salvation.

We shouldn't curse the blessing of marriage.

And to discourage marriage is also to discourage romance. Romance was recorded in the Song of Solomon for a reason. It wasn't created as an analogy, yet because God is so wonderful He put gave the writer wisdom to display it in a way, that we could parallel it to His love for us.
I dont think you understand jesus or his reason very well, you say "he did not come to earth to make a family" and I totaly disagree with that,

he did come to make a family, infact he came to make the largesest family to which he wants us all to belong together, he told us he was our brother and called others his brother and wants us all in his family, if you cant understand that, then you will find his thinking process not to mention following him almost imposible as we are to know we belong to his family and all realate to one another, as it is the main point of christianity that we belong to one family with him as the head with the father as one, being one, and both two thirds of a trinity.
 
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Hello friend, perhaps i am misunderstanding your respnonse, but when i said: " Because if you do not love someone unconditionally "

You then replied with.....
There is NO absolute way this is possible!!!

i am sorry that you feel that way! Are you really saying that you feel unconditional love between a man and woman are impossible? If so my friend.....you are wrong!
Unconditional love means that nomatter what my wife does....i will still love her.....this is the love that God shines upon us. I hope that i misunderstood what you were trying to say. If not, i can go into much more detail if necessary! God Bless! :wave:
 
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Jack, by saying jesus didn't come for a family i'm talking about marriage and kids, etc. i think i made that obvious. please don't try and make it sound like i'm stupid or trying to deceive our sister, who is a good friend of mine and what not. jesus came for our salvation and so we all can be with God, not so He himself can have a wife and kids.

walleye i completely agree with you
 
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What is romantic Love?
Well, this is like asking what love is.....There are two answers....a right one (what God's Word says) and a wrong one....the worlds idea of love.
Well the same applies for romantic love....you can percieve it however you would like, but an empty fleshly love is not romantic in the end.
It is true that a person cannot love with an unconditional love if they do not know The Lord and have His spirit dwelling in them.
However to say that unconditional love is not possible between a man and a woman is the biggest wrong i have heard this month! The Bible says we are to love our wives as Christ loves His Church!....that is UNCONDITIONAL! That is how i love my wife and if someone is to ever experience true romance....there must be an unconditional love involved! That was my point before and it will stand. May The Lord bless you all with such a wonderful Love!
 
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Hello friend, perhaps i am misunderstanding your respnonse, but when i said: " Because if you do not love someone unconditionally "

You then replied with.....
There is NO absolute way this is possible!!!

i am sorry that you feel that way! Are you really saying that you feel unconditional love between a man and woman are impossible? If so my friend.....you are wrong!
Unconditional love means that nomatter what my wife does....i will still love her.....this is the love that God shines upon us. I hope that i misunderstood what you were trying to say. If not, i can go into much more detail if necessary! God Bless! :wave:
Dear Malckiah


Webster's dictionary defines unconditional as meaning:


" ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED having no exceptions or restrictions "


Your love and attraction as a seed didn't start out as unqualified. Therefore it can NEVER be.



Absolute and unqualified means that she could worship satan, murder her young, refuse ONLY you in her bed, ect, ect. I know this is extreme but it is used to make a point. I just don't know when or what would have to happen for your love to turn away.



This is NOT what GOD intended as HE says he is a jealous GOD and you shall have no one before ME.


WE MUST ALL REMEMBER:





X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

 
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