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What is required before getting baptized in a pool of water?

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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.
Hello John, I've never heard that before (where did you hear it?).

Of course, if being "sinlessly perfect" is required for baptism to "count", then it is the Lord Jesus' baptism, and His alone, that "counted".

Where is that in the Bible, and what denomination believe that water baptism in a pool of water is where somebody gets saved?
Roman Catholic, Greek & Oriental Orthodox, Lutheran, the Churches of Christ, as well some of the Christian cults come to mind, as those who hold to water baptism being salvific.

edit: I believe that the Churches of Christ are the ones who hold most steadfastly to that belief (that there is no salvation, period, apart from water baptism). On the other hand, they teach that personal, saving faith is also required to be saved ... unlike the Catholics, Orthodox and Lutherans, who believe that infants are "saved" by water baptism ~apart~ from coming to saving faith and believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

As far as Bible verses that seem to teach that baptism is both necessary and salvific, I believe that Mark 16:16a is the verse (or 1/2 verse) that is typically pointed to first.

God bless you!!

--David
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.

I haven't heard that -- not from Baptists, and not from those who baptize infants. It would seem to negate the idea that only Christ can save us, because we cannot save ourselves, which is a central idea of Christianity.

Can I ask where you heard the idea that we have to be sinlessly perfect before we can be baptized?
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.
It's the people who AREN'T sinlessly perfect that need baptism. You come out of your baptism perfectly sinless.
Where is that in the Bible,
It isn't in the Bible that you have to be sinless BEFORE being baptized.
and what denomination believe that water baptism in a pool of water is where somebody gets saved?
Those who know about 1 Peter 3:21.
 
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It's the people who AREN'T sinlessly perfect that need baptism. You come out of your baptism perfectly sinless.

It isn't in the Bible that you have to be sinless BEFORE being baptized.

Those who know about 1 Peter 3:21.
I agree with chevy, those who are sinners need baptism, but also, logically, you would never be absolutely sure if you were sinlessly perfect without absolute certainty through the visible Sacrament of Absolution, which you cannot find in most reformed circles, as they believe repentance comes through confession to Christ through prayer alone; I'm not saying it isn't possible, but its a real gamble: think of it this way, imagine you think you confessed your sins to Our Lord properly, then you (by this logic) go and try to get baptized, yet Christ did not absolve that sin and thus your baptism is invalid. It's a big grey area that could cause one great anxiety, as without the Sacrament of Absolution [as we know it in the Orthodox-Catholic Church(es)], you would not have a verifiable declaration of that absolution and would thus be basing your salvation (via baptism) on your gut feeling that you prayed right, you were truly confessant, and Our Lord heard and acted upon your prayer.

I am not trying to sway you; I am just adding my view on that matter. I agree with everyone else in this thread that I have personally never heard such a thing, and I consider the idea [personally] preposterous.
 
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Disclaimer: I'm just adding this for references, my two cents is what the book says already. Also I don't consider this version for deep study, but this is an overview of the passages. Is BSB.

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Acts 2:36-46

36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

40With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.j

42They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43A sense of awek came over everyone, and the apostles performed many wonders and signs.

44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need.

46With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courtsl and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

---Doesn't seem to say anything about them getting sinless and perfect first to me here.

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Acts 16:29-34

29Calling for lights, the jailer rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”

32Then Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house.

33At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds. And without delay, he and all his household were baptized.

34Then he brought them into his home and set a meal before them. So he and all his household rejoiced that they had come to believe in God.


---I'm just going to go for a long shot and say they likely were not sinless and perfect here either.


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Acts 10:42-48

42And He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead. 43All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”

44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard his message.

45All the circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.

46For they heard them speaking in tongues and exalting God. Then Peter said,

47“Can anyone withhold the water to baptize these people? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have!”

48So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay for a few days.

---Here it seems they got the Holy Spirit from believing in Jesus when they heard before they even had a chance to get baptized.......


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Luke 23:39-43

39One of the criminals who hung there heaped abuse on Him. “Are You not the Christ?” he said. “Save Yourself and us!”

40But the other one rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same judgment?

41We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”

43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

---Then there is this guy... Whoa. No baptism at all but I would put all my betting chips in the pot this guy is with Jesus.

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I don't really dig into denominations, so I'm probably no help there at all.
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.

Where is that in the Bible, and what denomination believe that water baptism in a pool of water is where somebody gets saved?
Whether the baptism takes place in the sea, a river, a pool or a purpose-built baptistry, no, you don't need to be sinlessly perfect in order to be baptized. Who told you that? It is certainly not in the bible. When an Ethiopian man asked Philip if he could be baptized, Philip didn't say, "You can if you are sinlessly perfect." No. We read:

“Then Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."” (Ac 8:37 NKJV)

Incidentally, that verse says something about your second question, about whether baptism saves. People who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ with all their heart are saved. Baptist churches and some others (what we call "baptistic churches") say that baptism is for believers. Roman Catholics, some Anglicans, and some others say that baptism actually saves.
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.

Where is that in the Bible, and what denomination believe that water baptism in a pool of water is where somebody gets saved?

It is entirely false to say that one must be sinless in order to be baptized. Only one baptism has been of a sinless man, that being of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Everyone else has either sinned (as is the case with adults and older children) or requires salvation from sin due to its hereditary properties (as is the case with infants).
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.

Where is that in the Bible, and what denomination believe that water baptism in a pool of water is where somebody gets saved?
Baptism don't save you .... Jesus does.

Some do teach Baptism is a requirement to be saved ... it is not. It is symbolic of a greater reality.

Baptism symbolizes the believer's union with Christ, the forgiveness of their sins, and the reception of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Baptism don't save you .... Jesus does.
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.
1 Peter 3:18-22
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.
Perchance or per choice, do you still listen to whoever said that ?
 
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Baptism don't save you .... Jesus does.
For Credobaptists, Baptism is a human work.
For Paedobaptists, Baptism is the instrument or vehicle in which Jesus is brought to the person.

Paedobaptists believe there are promises attached to baptism.
Credobaptists believe there are no promises attached to baptism.

And the debate continues....
 
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I have heard that one should be sinlessly perfect first before they go, and if not the baptism won't count.

Where is that in the Bible, and what denomination believe that water baptism in a pool of water is where somebody gets saved?
And have yet to see a verse where GENTILES are to be BAPTIZED to enter the BODY of Christ as written in 1 Cor 12:13 and

and BAPTISM is done by the HOLY SPIRIT !!

Water Baptism was ONLY given to Israel as written in John 1:31 and MASIFEST to Israel NOT to Gentiles !!

dan p
 
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Hello Dan (@Dan Perez), if water baptism was meant for the Jews only, then why did Philip choose to baptize (in water) the Ethiopian Eunuch after he confessed his belief in the Lord Jesus Christ .. Acts 8:29-40?

There is also Acts 10:34-48 to consider, as this is where Peter instructs that water baptisms should be given immediately to all of the Gentiles who had just come to saving faith in the Lord Jesus and received the Holy Spirit (following the Good News that he preached to them).

Matthew 28:19-20 & Mark 16:15-16 also comes quickly to mind as they both call us to go into ALL of the world, preaching the Gospel, making disciples, and baptizing new converts from ~ALL~ nations (IOW, from both the Jewish Nation ~AND ALSO~ from the Gentile Nations too).

I know that you know these passages, so please tell me what I'm missing or misunderstanding here (IOW, in what sense do you mean that water baptism was only given to Israel)?

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--David
 
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And have yet to see a verse where GENTILES are to be BAPTIZED to enter the BODY of Christ as written in 1 Cor 12:13 and

and BAPTISM is done by the HOLY SPIRIT !!

Water Baptism was ONLY given to Israel as written in John 1:31 and MASIFEST to Israel NOT to Gentiles !!

dan p
Baptism in water was not only given to Israel. We have the Ethiopian eunuch, Cornelius, the jailer at Philippi, and others who were not Israelites, but who were baptized (in water).
 
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Baptism in water was not only given to Israel. We have the Ethiopian eunuch, Cornelius, the jailer at Philippi, and others who were not Israelites, but who were baptized (in water).
Counterfeit Christianity often does not agree with Scripture, but continues in deception.

Foxes book of Martyrs is an excellent resource to show through all the centuries
those who gave up their lives joyously and willingly,
and were killed for being immersed in Jesus' Name (in living water, running moving water, even when below freezing temperatures required breaking through ice or being in ice cold water).
 
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And have yet to see a verse where GENTILES are to be BAPTIZED to enter the BODY of Christ as written in 1 Cor 12:13 and

and BAPTISM is done by the HOLY SPIRIT !!

Water Baptism was ONLY given to Israel as written in John 1:31 and MASIFEST to Israel NOT to Gentiles !!

dan p

Acts 10:44-48

44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


No.
 
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Then answered Peter, 47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized
Yes, Thus saith Scripture.
fast forward to usa today:

Ungodly men say "forbid, forbid" , so yes, there are men that can (and do in fact today) forbid immersing anyone (baptizing) in water , with no regard and no fear of God .
 
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Ungodly men say "forbid, forbid" , so yes, there are men that can (and do in fact today) forbid immersing anyone (baptizing) in water , with no regard and no fear of God .

The Orthodox perform most baptisms by triple immersion in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, including infant baptism (most infants can be baptized through full immersion). The only exception would be if for medical reasons someone could not be immersed safely, but this is exceedingly rare.

However on no account will we repeat a baptism that is formally valid - if doubts exist we can always do a conditional baptism, but the Orthodox literally interpret the Nicene Creed’s confession of one baptism for the remission of sins.
 
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