What is it with gross sin

Bluelion · Jun 30, 2014

I been playing this game online, and couple of guys i been grouping with all adults invite this new guy. he is gay worried we would reject him no one does. the whole time we were playing the game he is talking about what he would like to do to members in the party. in graphic language. i mention I am in school for ministry, does nothing to stop him. i mention all the guys are straight with girlfriends or wives. He reply's there is a guy for every man, and this is my problem with some gays, they have no respect for straight men. This might surprise some gays, but i am comfortable enough with who I am to know I am not gay. I am not geared that way. I could not be if I wanted to. I find it sick. My God finds it offensive.

I think he got worse when he new i was in ministry. That is fine flaunt your sin, but I should have asked him would he do while being lowered into hell? How proud of his sin would he be then? i love everyone but some people are just evil. i feel like i was word raped with what I read him saying. I guess i was there to bare witness against him.

i believe in loving everyone, but if you are proud of your sin, if you want all to see it, you deserve hell. God was right they are completely perverse.Of course God is never wrong. I guess i expect the same respect i gave him with not preaching to him. But I did not not preach to him for him, but for God. God said don't waste what is Holy on the unholy.

So now tv shows have strong sexual content and nudity on tv. This comes from porn industry and gays faulting sex. The tv show dominion was the first i know of to do this its on tnt about angels going to war with humans. And of course there is a human chosen one to save the human race. This person is a hero on Tv but is preparing the people of the world for anti christ.

Does any one else see how tv is implanting the idea of human savior. Jesus is that savior, but they speak of a sinful man. They are paving the way for the lawless one. Jesus had John the Baptist the anti christ has TV and movies and music.

I can not enjoy a game any more, I am not from this world, and games online connect with the world.

I feel bad for kids playing these things.

Andres88 · Jun 30, 2014

At least that's not the only sin that God abhorrs and hates; there are at least 7 other things that we tend to overlook (Proverbs 6). Not to mention the "respectable sins" we often don't consider.

While I do understand how you feel with that, it's not the only sinful condition that is marked by stubborness (sp?) and flaunt. Often other sins that should as well disgust us are just ignored.

Bluelion · Jun 30, 2014

Andres88 said:
At least that's not the only sin that God abhorrs and hates; there are at least 7 other things that we tend to overlook (Proverbs 6). Not to mention the "respectable sins" we often don't consider.

While I do understand how you feel with that, it's not the only sinful condition that is marked by stubborness (sp?) and flaunt. Often other sins that should as well disgust us are just ignored.

Yes many people might over look or even like a woman talking this way. I would be discussed if a woman spoke this way. I think women are suppose to act like women and many do. That means having self respect, living a Godly moral life, and they should always reflect that in what they wear and how they speak.

This is the first time I every saw someone flaunt their sin. I was shocked.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jun 30, 2014

for over 40 years i've seen people in all walks, pastors included, flaunt their sin as if they don't have anything to worry about - they do not at all serve Jesus Christ nor recognize Him as Lord or Savior, nor Yhwh as One True God Creator.

the sin has been so rampant in society and in churches, for so many centuries, who can know ? who can keep their way pure and right and holy?

see psalms and hebrews and revelation .

not many do, and not many even want to .... ... ... and they lose already - they are already judged, according to God's Word.

look up as you have time, Yhwh willing, by Yeshua's Grace,
the sins
that the Bible Instructs us not only to not do, but
we(ecclesia) are told directly NOT TO ASSOCIATE with anyone who calls themselves 'Christian' and won't repent of those sins - not to greet them and not to have a meal with them! (IF we still do try to fellowship with them, the BIBLE says we may partake of their guilt). I don't have the reference on hand, but it is clear and repeated in the NT.

98cwitr · Jun 30, 2014

that sounds like it was quite an awkward convo blue!

Bluelion · Jun 30, 2014

98cwitr said:
that sounds like it was quite an awkward convo blue!

yeah

98cwitr · Jul 1, 2014

what game btw?

Bluelion · Jul 1, 2014

dungeons and dragons online

Hammster · Jul 2, 2014

We all flaunt our sin, every time we sin. This man was no worse than us, if we remember that Christ is the benchmark, and not how good we are compared to others.

Bluelion · Jul 2, 2014

Hammster said:
We all flaunt our sin, every time we sin. This man was no worse than us, if we remember that Christ is the benchmark, and not how good we are compared to others.

yes he was, talking in public in great detail about how he wanted to have sex with the guys in a group. That is no different than having sex in the streets. wake up. Stumbling when we sin is different than willfully bragging about your sin. I am sorry you don't know the difference.

Hammster · Jul 2, 2014

Bluelion said:
yes he was, talking in public in great detail about how he wanted to have sex with the guys in a group. That is no different than having sex in the streets. wake up. Stumbling when we sin is different than willfully bragging about your sin. I am sorry you don't know the difference.

I'm sorry that you think you're less of a sinner than he is, and that your sin is less offensive.

Bluelion · Jul 2, 2014

Hammster said:
I'm sorry that you think you're less of a sinner than he is, and that your sin is less offensive.

wow judgmental much. I never said such a thing, however there is a difference from sinning and repenting and sinning and boasting pridefully.I think this goes along with what Jesus taught. No person is forgive who does not repent. And you can not repent and be proud of your sin.

Hammster · Jul 2, 2014

Bluelion said:
wow judgmental much. I never said such a thing, however there is a difference from sinning and repenting and sinning and boasting pridefully.I think this goes along with what Jesus taught. No person is forgive who does not repent. And you can not repent and be proud of your sin.

Please, tell me the difference. Give me the words of Jesus.

98cwitr · Jul 2, 2014

Hammster said:
Please, tell me the difference. Give me the words of Jesus.

Luke 18:11-14New International Version (NIV)

11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Pride is sinful...how much worse is pride of sin?

Bluelion · Jul 3, 2014

Hammster said:
Please, tell me the difference. Give me the words of Jesus.

You don't know the difference between pride in your sin and repent of it. I think that is an issue you need to pray about, and do a lot of reading.

I do believe Paul said if a christian sins against you point it out to him, if he will not repent get 2 brothers and point it out and if still no bring it before the church and if the man will still not repent, you are to treat him as a pagan or corrupt tax collector.

So its clear a person is not forgiven unless they repent, and I am not obligated to forgive a person who does not repent. Did God forgive the world or those who ask for forgiveness? But I do forgive though not required, because if i forgive i will be forgiven on how I forgive, if I commit an offense and do not know it i will have forgiveness for I forgive this way, or do my best to.

Again Jesus said I have not come to call those who think them self righteous but those who know they are sinners. Those who are prideful of there sin see nothing wrong with it, so they think them self righteous, but those who are ashamed of there sin and see their need for forgiveness are those who know they are sinners.

Is that enough for you or shall I go on?

Bluelion · Jul 3, 2014

98cwitr said:
Luke 18:11-14New International Version (NIV)

11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: God, I thank you that I am not like other peoplerobbers, evildoers, adulterersor even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.

13 But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

14 I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Pride is sinful...how much worse is pride of sin?

thanks 98

on another note if you ever start playing dungeons and dragons online(its free to play) let me know I'll add you to friends and have the guild add you. Would be nice to have another christian in there.

Hammster · Jul 3, 2014

98cwitr said:
Luke 18:11-14New International Version (NIV)

11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: God, I thank you that I am not like other peoplerobbers, evildoers, adulterersor even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.

13 But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

14 I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Pride is sinful...how much worse is pride of sin?

So you think that's what Jesus was talking about?

Hammster · Jul 3, 2014

Bluelion said:
You don't know the difference between pride in your sin and repent of it. I think that is an issue you need to pray about, and do a lot of reading.

I do believe Paul said if a christian sins against you point it out to him, if he will not repent get 2 brothers and point it out and if still no bring it before the church and if the man will still not repent, you are to treat him as a pagan or corrupt tax collector.

So its clear a person is not forgiven unless they repent, and I am not obligated to forgive a person who does not repent. Did God forgive the world or those who ask for forgiveness? But I do forgive though not required, because if i forgive i will be forgiven on how I forgive, if I commit an offense and do not know it i will have forgiveness for I forgive this way, or do my best to.

Again Jesus said I have not come to call those who think them self righteous but those who know they are sinners. Those who are prideful of there sin see nothing wrong with it, so they think them self righteous, but those who are ashamed of there sin and see their need for forgiveness are those who know they are sinners.

Is that enough for you or shall I go on?

You haven't even answered my question yet.

Hammster · Jul 3, 2014

Keep in mind this verse:

But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me. (1 Corinthians 15:10 HCSB)

I can say that the difference between me and the homosexual is God's grace.

tall73 · Jul 3, 2014

Bluelion said:
I do believe Paul said if a christian sins against you point it out to him, if he will not repent get 2 brothers and point it out and if still no bring it before the church and if the man will still not repent, you are to treat him as a pagan or corrupt tax collector.

So its clear a person is not forgiven unless they repent, and I am not obligated to forgive a person who does not repent.

So forgive this man though he doesn't deserve it, as Christ forgave those who crucified Him.

It was Matthew 18 by the way, and Jesus who gave instructions about going to a brother who sinned against you. However, this person is not in the church it sounds like. So I am not sure why we would expect anything different from him. I would apply the first part of this passage to him:

1Co 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—
1Co 5:10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

We don't expect the non-Christian to hold the same standard.

If Jesus went among the prostitutes and tax collectors, etc. as you have often pointed out, did He only love those who repented? Did it perhaps take some time for them to come around?

Ultimately the person you met will either repent or not. But He is God's child.

Pray for this person.

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