What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[RickG]

I have had numerous conversations with people in the CF and other forums about things said by scientist being presented out of context.

One such conversation I remember quite vividly, even though it took place several years ago. It concerned something said by Henry Gee in one of his published books. To give a little background, Gee is a paleontologist and evolutionary biologist; he also serves as a senior editor for the scientific journal Nature. His credentials are impeccable.

In the conversation, this person posted a quote by Gee that without doubt looked as if he seriously questioned the theory of evolution. Being very curious about the quote, I actually acquired a copy of the book and read it in entirety. What I found was that Gee in explaining the theory of evolution would present a scenario which seemed to be a problem for evolution and then several paragraphs later, explained the flawed reasoning in the scenario. I pointed this out to the person, who had not read the book, and showed true context of what Gee was actually saying. To my surprise, the person actually admitted that they understood that Gees quote was being presented out of context and that he was actually not questioning evolution. But even more amazingly, this person went on to say that it doesn’t matter, because Gee said it anyway and therefore casts doubt on evolution. Yeah! Wow!

Well, since scientists are so well quote mined in the creationist literature, I thought it might be interesting to visit the bible quote mine as well. After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Right? Now I do admit that I do have reservations about doing this, but I think it is very important for the creationist side to understand that deliberately quoting material out of context is just plain wrong.

With that In mind, here are a few examples.

"There is no God." (Psalms 14:1)
“And God saw…his heart was evil”. (Genesis 6:5)
"The Lord . . . is evil." (Genesis 8:21)
“for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God (Genesis 34:14)
“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no God.” (Deuteronomy 32:39)

 

[loktai]

Great example here. Whenever quoting material from credible sources I always try and post more than what I want to quote, so the context is there.

 

[AV1611VET]

After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Right?

Kinda like calling a global flood a local flood, isn't it?

 

[juvenissun]

With that In mind, here are a few examples.

"There is no God." (Psalms 14:1)
“And God saw…his heart was evil”. (Genesis 6:5)
"The Lord . . . is evil." (Genesis 8:21)
“for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God (Genesis 34:14)
“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no God.” (Deuteronomy 32:39)

The only one you did not misquote is the Gen34:14.

You can't use xxxx...xxxx as a quote, even when you try to argue it out of context. You need to spell the whole thing out.

In the Deut32:39 quote, two key words are missing. It should read:
32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

 

[Split Rock]

I have had numerous conversations with people in the CF and other forums about things said by scientist being presented out of context.

One such conversation I remember quite vividly, even though it took place several years ago. It concerned something said by Henry Gee in one of his published books. To give a little background, Gee is a paleontologist and evolutionary biologist; he also serves as a senior editor for the scientific journal Nature. His credentials are impeccable.

In the conversation, this person posted a quote by Gee that without doubt looked as if he seriously questioned the theory of evolution. Being very curious about the quote, I actually acquired a copy of the book and read it in entirety. What I found was that Gee in explaining the theory of evolution would present a scenario which seemed to be a problem for evolution and then several paragraphs later, explained the flawed reasoning in the scenario. I pointed this out to the person, who had not read the book, and showed true context of what Gee was actually saying. To my surprise, the person actually admitted that they understood that Gees quote was being presented out of context and that he was actually not questioning evolution. But even more amazingly, this person went on to say that it doesn’t matter, because Gee said it anyway and therefore casts doubt on evolution. Yeah! Wow!

Well, since scientists are so well quote mined in the creationist literature, I thought it might be interesting to visit the bible quote mine as well. After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Right? Now I do admit that I do have reservations about doing this, but I think it is very important for the creationist side to understand that deliberately quoting material out of context is just plain wrong.

With that In mind, here are a few examples.

"There is no God." (Psalms 14:1)
“And God saw…his heart was evil”. (Genesis 6:5)
"The Lord . . . is evil." (Genesis 8:21)
“for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God (Genesis 34:14)
“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no God.” (Deuteronomy 32:39)

Actually, you can't quote mine the bible more than "Bible" Christians here do already... LOL.

 

[Split Rock]

Kinda like calling a global flood a local flood, isn't it?

This depends on what the authors of GEN meant by "the world," doesn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

This depends on what the authors of GEN meant by "the world," doesn't it?

Did I even mention Genesis?

 

[Split Rock]

Did I even mention Genesis?

Which "global flood" were you referring to, then?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which "global flood" were you referring to, then?

Any ... it was just a general statement.

 

[RickG]

The only one you did not misquote is the Gen34:14.

You can't use xxxx...xxxx as a quote, even when you try to argue it out of context. You need to spell the whole thing out.

In the Deut32:39 quote, two key words are missing. It should read:
32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

Spell the whole thing out? Then it wouldn't be a quote mine. The bible does indeed say there is no God. The bible said it, that settles it. Never mind the context.

 

[RickG]

Kinda like calling a global flood a local flood, isn't it?

Seriously Av, do you not understand the point I am trying to make with this thread?

 

[Jamin4422]

In the conversation, this person posted a quote by Gee

Actually it is like shooting fish in a barrel. There are people here that will argue against anything I say. Even when I quote an evolutionist they will argue against the evolutionist because they thought I said it. Evolutionists like to fight and argue with each other anyways. So it is very easy to play them against each other. I brought up the subject once about what fire had to do with evolution and people were all over each other fighting about it. In a lot of ways Evolutionists treat Creationists better then they treat each other. It is only when a non evolutionists attacks evolution that they will step in to try to defend their fellow evolutionist. As you did in this case. Otherwise you may have been first in line to attack Gee's theory if it was different from your version of evolutionary theory.

Getting back to your point. There are a lot of areas in evolution that if I tried to defend them it would get evolutionists upset. So there really is no reason at all to misrepresent anyone. There is plenty of controversy already there if that is what you want to do is just stir up the controversy.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Seriously Av, do you not understand the point I am trying to make with this thread?

You tried to make a Point. By that very effort, AV wouldn't understand what you tried to do.

In order for AV to understand anything you write, YOU can't understand what you've written....... It helps to have had a Lobotomy.

 

[AV1611VET]

You tried to make a Point. By that very effort, AV wouldn't understand what you tried to do.

In order for AV to understand anything you write, YOU can't understand what you've written....... It helps to have had a Lobotomy.

Coming from someone whose user title says, "Neither Theist, nor Atheist," I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[Promethean]

You tried to make a Point. By that very effort, AV wouldn't understand what you tried to do.

In order for AV to understand anything you write, YOU can't understand what you've written....... It helps to have had a Lobotomy.

Creationists have no desire to even try to figure things out. Being fed pablum is easier.

 

[juvenissun]

Spell the whole thing out? Then it wouldn't be a quote mine. The bible does indeed say there is no God. The bible said it, that settles it. Never mind the context.

Did you say: "Then it would be mine." ? I guess you did.

This is another junk thread.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Did you say: "Then it would be mine." ? I guess you did.

This is another junk thread.

9 out of every 8 Threads here are....

 

[pgp_protector]

but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Samuel 15:3)

 

[AV1611VET]

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[And-U-Say]

Actually it is like shooting fish in a barrel. There are people here that will argue against anything I say.

<snipped to prevent boredom>

We only argue against anything that you say that is wrong. That should tell you something about your track record.