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What is Christian Philosophy and for what purpose does it serve?

dms1972

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I was talking about the ideas the OP's friend was espousing. That before creation angels where married to the church, but then divorced?

If in the resurrection Jesus says people neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels (Matthew 22:30) then what i take from that is that angels are not the sort of creatures that get married either to each other, or to humans.
 
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I think as far as for the sake of study or looking at things from a different perspective it is fine, but to try to make it truth though well at the very least it has to align with scripture even if not perfectly.

This was the issue I was having with my friend it seems he evn is getting lost in the feeling of being spiritually connected but he is kind of floating into the sky at this point and so yeah I was wanting to find out more about this philosophy thing that made him be like this.

It seems though that Philosophy or Chrisitan phi;osophy has different camps of acceptence I suppose I should have expected that.
 
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I like that. I write a lot of Christian poems and parables that apply to the believer the nature and spirit of God sometimes even just writing a parable or poem off a random verse in scripture. Would this be considered Christian Philosophy or is it more of just writing in general
 
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Yeah he mentioned how he added to an already established thing but I couldn't get him to show me this (established) thing in the scriptures.

I won't deny that I have encountered and experienced God in ways that I honestly don't know how to apply to scripture some things about him just shows that his heart and his person is one of vast and deep wonder and mystery

But at the same we have to be standing on firm ground or we will lift off into the clouds. He seems interested in the spiritual aspect only but I made it clear to him that I am after the truth and only the truth I won't accept anything less than that so when he started saying this stuff and all I did was try to get some kind of evidence from him I understood his true colors.
 
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Some will confuse mysticism for spirituality. Mysticism is an oxymoron of sorts. Can we call it "detached emotionalism?" It can be seen as an entertaining and mysterious form of self absorption. A lifestyle of sublimation. Detachment insulates one from others up to a point.

On the other hand.. Christian spirituality (by grace) surprises the one walking in it to find himself discovering truth that he thought he could never know, nor understand. At some point he comes to realize that God is real by the way he is being lead into discovering more and more truth concerning God's Word.
 
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Mysticism is an oxymoron of sorts. Can we call it "detached emotionalism?" It can be seen as an entertaining and mysterious form of self absorption. A lifestyle of sublimation.
That would be your own eccentric definition.
 
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Wow! that makes perfect sense. Sometimes he says things in an emotionally way in his posts describing things that sound beautiful sometimes but they kind remind me of spirituallity and what you described is him exactly.


Then you go on to describe me I have even been changed as if I was born again for the second time somehow
 
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Actually to be honest the way you described it so accurately do you perhaps walk in the gift of prophecy or recieve words of knowledge or would you just consider it coincidence"?
 
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Actually to be honest the way you described it so accurately do you perhaps walk in the gift of prophecy or recieve words of knowledge or would you just consider it coincidence"?

Interesting... I have come to believe that God protects the privacy of the hearers if the one speaking is truly being led of the Spirit. Unless someone let the one speaking know? He will have no idea for whom the message is personally for..

I learned that principle from my pastor.

When we have our privacy protected, we have freedom.

grace and peace .................
 
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Well I think God helped me by using you. You see I thought at first this person was after the deeper truths like me lets just say God has brought me to a whole other level I never knew before with him I hoped that he was also the same as I at first saw a lot of things he said that made me think maybe we were both truly after the truth

But when he said all these things after all this time I have been wondering and asking God what this stuff he was into was I just couldn't wrap my head around it.

And what you described was like God explaining it to me and then how you described what I am going through it is like he was showing the comparison so I suppose in a way it is good that things went down the way they did because that type of company is best to keep a distance from.
 
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I think if one engages in such speculation. one also needs to submit to a source or authority outside oneself by which ones ideas can be corrected when necessary.
 
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The verse in Matthew 22:30 would seem to contradict his idea, so it doesn't seem to be the "established thing". He may not be aware of that verse.

At a guess he might be taking the verse in Genesis about the "sons of God married the daughters of men" Genesis 6, as his point of departure. But Matthew 22:30 seems to me to set some boundaries on the interpretation of that.

Heres is some info I found about the various interpretations of Genesis 6


 
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To be honest he might be on drugs, he once sent me a video of those trippy visual things with really wierd sounds and said listen to it while meditating on God and connect to the spirit.

I found this strange I mean I use medicinal weed fir my anxiety depression and most of all my insomina but I don't enjoy feeling out of my mind or tripping out.

I will admit that I have connected to God in a very interesting way a couple of times with this stuff but but it isn't the way and I am wondering if he is on this type of trip because one minute he is sane and speaking about God and having a sound mind then suddenly all this bizzar stuff
 
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God through Paul keeps on telling us....

"For it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."
Philippians 2:13​
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We need to be careful...

Not all of the angels are God's angels. Jesus said specifically that His angels are not given in marriage.

It can be shown that fallen angels are the root cause for drag queens. And, its why we see "goddesses" in pagan religions.

For God only granted the grace to be celibate to faithful angels. "His angels."
 
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Consider these things...

What is Christian Driving?
What is Christian Eating?
What is Christian Art?
What is Christian Writing?
What is Christian Barbecue?
...

I would say that these things, are the way a person with a Christian Worldview, thinks about these topics.

Philosophy, historically, has a number of different disciplines:

-- Ontology. what exists, and how we perceive that these things exist
-- Epistemology what truth is, and how we demonstrate that something is true
-- Formal Logic. formal methods of reasoning that work
-- Moral Theory. how we think about what we consider to be right and wrong.

The "Christian" form of Philosophy, is the Christian ways of thinking about these topics.

Note that "philosophy" means in the Ancient Greek, the love of wisdom. But the METHOD of discovering and discussing wisdom, historically, is through thinking/reasoning. So, philosophy is applying reason/logic, to try to explore all these different topics.

The anti-intellectual Christian groups often assert that applying reason/logic to any of these areas, falls into the category of "vain philosophy". But, we have the Apostle Paul, who wrote 60% of the New Testament, and most of the theology in the New Testament, using logic all over the place. If we assert that all thinking, is "vain philosophy", then we are denying the divine inspiration of much of Paul's writing in the New Testament.

Orthodox Christianity has always embraced the goodness of the intellect/mind/logic, as far as it can reach. Not all topics can be explored by reason/logic.

The Protestant Reformers in the 1400's often had a negative view of reason/logic (Luther and Calvin did). Unfortunately, this lead many Christians to avoid philosophy, and rigorously applying the mind to reason about all sorts of topics. However, the ancient Jews understood that when humans were "made in the image of God", a lot of this revolves around our intellectual abilities, and our ability to reason about all sorts of topics.

I hope that this helps.
 
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We need to be careful not to confuse illogical Christians for Christianity being illogical.

The Logos of John 1:1 is derived from the same root word that we find for the word logic.

Paul was highly logical, yes. In the Greek it reveals that he was a genius. But he was never philosophical. He was dogmatic in the Spirit by means of actually knowing truth. Philosophy tends to be too speculative and theoretical.


grace and peace ..................
 
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The purpose of Christian philosophy is to bring individuals to an end of themselves which enables them to see the hopeless state they are in so that by God's grace they are able to genuinely turn back to him.

Full logic philosophy does that.

Half logic philosophy doesn't

We are presently bombarded with a failed atheistic half logic philosophy and corresponding science that serves the purpose of keeping individuals from God.
 
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God does not provide definitive proof of his existence or non existence.

Hebrews 11:6 says what it says. (Without faith it is impossible to please God).

Therefore, it is only possible to HOPE that God exists or doesn't exist.

So for any of you out there who are waiting for definite proof (and are sold on failed modern day half logic atheistic philosophy and science) until you do come to God then you will be waiting an awful long time ....forever...an eternity....... literally.
 
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An understanding of philosophy can be useful for communicating ideas. A shorthand for expressing concepts that might otherwise take more time to articulate or comprehend. It can also function as a tool for recognizing patterns of persuasion and potential cognitive blind-spots.

In terms of the faith, much of Christian philosophy is laid out in scripture but it also works on multiple levels. Inspiring us to ponder the nature of God, the teachings of Christ, and how to put our faith into practice.
 
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