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I'm not sure that's different,
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I dunno, I'm gonna agree with that one for now.
What other ways of knowing are there? I'll start: intuition is one, mystical experience (I'll have to brush up on William James) is another. What else is there?
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James says they require a noetic quality by definition.
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Why?
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They still teach it in university.
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Seems insufficiently decisive as a definition, as its open to any way of knowing.
Its specifically about experiencing the divine. Not just about generic "knowing".I'm not sure why that is a problem with the definition. It must be flexible enough to include different forms of mysticism.
How would you sharpen the definition?
eudaimonia,
Mark
Its specifically about experiencing the divine. Not just about generic "knowing".
Even without divine beings, Buddhist mysticism is an entirely spiritual endeavor.No, I don't think that it is specifically about experiencing the divine (though in nearly all cases it is). This is how Buddhism could be considered a form of mysticism in Wikipedia:
According to Oliver, Buddhism is mystical in the sense that it aims at the identification of the true nature of our self, and live according to it.
But I suppose it is about experiencing something "hidden" that is inobvious to just anybody. I would accept that as an addition to my definition.
eudaimonia,
Mark
What university teaches mystical experiences?
To be fair...universities teach a lot of nonsense if they think it will get your money.
Even without divine beings, Buddhist mysticism is an entirely spiritual endeavor.
This isnt about knowledge of chemistry, or boat building, or what have you.
I just want to add that in pre-scientific times if someone did claim to have a non-rational means of figuring out the tiniest constituents of matter, something that allegedly no one else could do without the proper insight, I would be hard pressed not to call that person a mystic.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Yeah, "spiritual" is an important component.So, would adding the word "spiritual" satisfy you? If so, you'll have to offer a definition to narrow down just what that means in this context.
Of course not, since those fields of knowledge aren't "hidden", and they have already been covered by rational activities. They are right out in the open accessible to just anybody. No one has to have a non-rational means of knowing something to learn about chemistry or boat-building.
eudaimonia,
Mark
I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with mysticism. It's more like shamanism or witchcraft.
No, Paul's teachings essentially stem from Jesus' teachings found in the Gospel accounts.
...mysticism is antithetical to the Christian faith as we walk by faith, not by sight (or feelings and experiences).
The trouble with mysticism is that there is no baseline for truth. Everything is subjective, and it cannot be compared to scripture. This is why it's so dangerous for Christians to submit themselves to mystical experiences.
The devil is brilliant, and can deceive people through scriptures even. How much more through mystical experiences?
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