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The purpose of the 'secrecy' is two-fold.Plan 9 said:I completely agree; that has to be it!
emmajane said:The purpose of the 'secrecy' is two-fold.
1 - To provide members with a feeling of brotherhood and exclusivity.
2 - Members would be less likely to subscribe to a club which embraces Satanic worship if it were introduced immediately. Hence the deity is referred to by different names until the time of the Holy Royal Arch Degree... when the member pledges their soul to the Prince of Darkness.
emmajane said:The purpose of the 'secrecy' is two-fold.
1 - To provide members with a feeling of brotherhood and exclusivity.
2 - Members would be less likely to subscribe to a club which embraces Satanic worship if it were introduced immediately. Hence the deity is referred to by different names until the time of the Holy Royal Arch Degree... when the member pledges their soul to the Prince of Darkness.
Plan 9 said:The purpose of the secrecy is simple; Masons have been persecuted in the past, are persecuted today in some countries and may be persecuted in the future.
sweetkitty said:http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/frown.gif There is no Satanic worship...are you saying that our founding fathers..our Presidents worshipped Satan???
billmcelligott said:I am a Past Master of my Lodge. And a past Master in Royal Arch Chapter.
The identity of Masons is a secret in countries where they are still persecuted and Masons and we women who belong to OES protect them by not "broadcasting" our rituals.emmajane said:This would apply if the identity of Masons was protected.
But their identity is widely broadcast. Their worship rituals are secret. Why might this be?
Look at the Baha'i - they are condemned to death for their beliefs in Iran. They are proud to represent their beliefs, which they believe to be righteous. Why do Masons not proudly broadcast their beliefs in this way?
Ex- Masons..who have an axe to grindemmajane said:I have not made any accusations.
I have regurgitated sources which repeat the same pattern of Freemasonry again and again and again.
I recommend you read some testimonies of Freemasons who have left the Lodges. These too confirm the same stories we hear and read.
Peace be with you
Christianity is out in the open, you can go to church with me if you'd like. What is the need for the secrecy? Do you fear for your life now?Plan 9 said:Why was it fine for Christians to meet secretly in the U.S.S.R?
The identity of Masons is a secret in countries where they are still persecuted and Masons and we women who belong to OES protect them by not "broadcasting" our rituals.Thaddeus said:Christianity is out in the open, you can go to church with me if you'd like. What is the need for the secrecy? Do you fear for your life now?
Thaddeus said:I'm asking why are your practices secret?
Can I go to a meeting with you and simply observe, if not, then why can't I?
Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal saviour?
emmajane said:I have not made any accusations.
I have regurgitated sources which repeat the same pattern of Freemasonry again and again and again.
I recommend you read some testimonies of Freemasons who have left the Lodges. These too confirm the same stories we hear and read.
Peace be with you
The purpose of the 'secrecy' is two-fold.
1 - To provide members with a feeling of brotherhood and exclusivity.
2 - Members would be less likely to subscribe to a club which embraces Satanic worship if it were introduced immediately. Hence the deity is referred to by different names until the time of the Holy Royal Arch Degree... when the member pledges their soul to the Prince of Darkness.
I recommend you read some testimonies of Freemasons who have left the Lodges. These too confirm the same stories we hear and read.
Exactly! I also can't see the many Presidents of our country and our founding fathers being involved in anything Satanic.Plan 9 said:This was you original post; I assumed it was your personal opinion and you cited no sources.
I already have the direct testimony of Masons and OES members who are good Christians and known to me personally, plus the testimony of a large number of my family members.
Of course, I've read some of the material you suggest, but I've never met these people, much less been able been able to observe their Christian walk for my entire life. For good or for ill, who do you know better than your own family?
Fear of what is unknown and they feel it is somehow a threat to religion...of course religious bodies feel that anything outside of church is evil...right?emmajane said:So are you saying that there is absolutely no element of Satanism in Masonry?
If yes, then why do such an enormous number of sources (including those compiled by the Catholic, Protestant and Evangelical churches) state that this is the case?
The identity of Masons is a secret in countries where they are still persecuted and Masons and we women who belong to OES protect them by not "broadcasting" our rituals.Thaddeus said:I'm asking why are your practices secret?
OES has several meetings a year to which I could invite you, yes. You may also observe both Masonic and OES funeral rituals anytime you care to attend such funerals.Can I go to a meeting with you and simply observe, if not, then why can't I?
Yes, I have and one important reason why I did was that I attended the funeral of my uncle and heard his funeral ritual. I was sixteen at the time and had despaired of understanding anything of the Bible, but the copious scriptures quoted by the Past Master made sense to me and were of great comfort to a grief-stricken teenager. When I left, I understood for the first time that much of my my uncle's goodness and love came from his being a Christian and I felt that there must be a heaven for the first time, if only for him to dwell in.Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal saviour?
sweetkitty said:Fear of what is unknown and they feel it is somehow a threat to religion...
of course religious bodies feel that anything outside of church is evil...right?
Think a minute...can you imagine Satan wanting to have his followers donate millions of dollars to handicapped children...to take care of widows and orphans?
God says that a house divided against itself cannot stand...Satan cannot do good works.
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