What is a free mason?? /need advice?

kdet · Sep 13, 2003

My husband is a mason..he is a godly man and there is no way he would be involved in anything that went against God or the word of God.
We read this thread last night and I confess we laughed till we cried over some of the things being said. The misconceptions are staggering and begger belief.

ej · Sep 13, 2003

I've found some interesting quotes:

G. Wingate Chase 'A Digest of Masonic Law': In fact, Masonry has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible. It is not founded upon the Bible. If it was, it would not be Masonry.

Dr. Fort Newton 'Brothers and Builders' page 25: Like everything else in Masonry, the Bible is itself a symbol of the perpetual revelation of Himself, which God has made... through the Old Testament, Koran, Vedas etc.

The Masonic Record, June 1926: the Bible can therefore have no other place in our lodge than that of a symbol

ej · Sep 13, 2003

jhessel said:
not all freemasons are evil. Only the 33rd degrees are the ones that know the luciferian secret while lesser degrees are kept ignorant (not told to give up soul to lucifer).

I've heard something similar to this. That junior members are told 'there is one deity' and those who are Christians, are allowed to believe this deity is God. It is not until the Mason reaches the highest level that they are informed his name is satan, and they must pledge their soul to him.

ej · Sep 13, 2003

karen_UK said:
This is what I know of Masonry too.

Regarding Masonry as a Religion - The Entered Apprentice is introduced to God as the GAOTU (great architect of the universe). The Fellow Craft Member is told that JHVH is God's name. The Master Mason learns that he is still in the dark about the Lord's mystic name!

The Holy Royal Arch degree teaches that the Deity is composite (JAOBULON) - a many-headed idol-God conjured by the Prince of Darkness.

This fits in with what we know too.

kdet · Sep 13, 2003

emmajane said:
This fits in with what we know too.

Masons are not "religious" in the way you are thinking There are Jewish masons and Christian masons. They believe in God but their meetings are not centered around any religious rituals.

ej · Sep 13, 2003

sweetkitty said:
Masons are not "religious" in the way you are thinking There are Jewish masons and Christian masons. They believe in God but their meetings are not centered around any religious rituals.

That junior members are told 'there is one deity' and those who are Christians, are allowed to believe this deity is God. It is not until the Mason reaches the highest level that they are informed his name is satan, and they must pledge their soul to him.

kdet · Sep 13, 2003

emmajane said:
That junior members are told 'there is one deity' and those who are Christians, are allowed to believe this deity is God. It is not until the Mason reaches the highest level that they are informed his name is satan, and they must pledge their soul to him.

My husband is NOT a junior mason and this is a lie..a fabrication..a untruth. No one talks about Satan in any capacity at these meetings. This is a charity based organization.

Plan 9 · Sep 13, 2003

sweetkitty said:
My husband is a mason..he is a godly man and there is no way he would be involved in anything that went against God or the word of God.
We read this thread last night and I confess we laughed till we cried over some of the things being said. The misconceptions are staggering and begger belief.

People seem to spread these misconceptions like wildfire, too, Sweetkitty.

Even Pat Robertson has bought into some of these notions; he has some anti-Masonic material in one of his books.
Books featuring some of these myths sell very well, as long as they're both sensational and negative in nature.

ej · Sep 13, 2003

sweetkitty said:
My husband is NOT a junior mason and this is a lie..a fabrication..a untruth. No one talks about Satan in any capacity at these meetings. This is a charity based organization.

Perhaps he is not yet Holy Royal Arch Degree?

Or perhaps he is forbidden from telling you in case he has his throat cut and his tongue ripped out?

This would be my inkling based upon initial research. Apologies if this is a surprise to you, or if my research is all entirely wrong. I have found no evidence stating that Masons are Christian. I have found many sources stating that they worship Satan.

Plan 9 · Sep 13, 2003

emmajane said:
Perhaps he is not yet Holy Royal Arch Degree?

Or perhaps he is forbidden from telling you in case he has his throat cut and his tongue ripped out?

This would be my inkling based upon initial research. Apologies if this is a surprise to you, or if my research is all entirely wrong. I have found no evidence stating that Masons are Christian. I have found many sources stating that they worship Satan.

Of course you've found many sources which say that, but your sources are wrong.

kdet · Sep 13, 2003

emmajane said:
Perhaps he is not yet Holy Royal Arch Degree?

Or perhaps he is forbidden from telling you in case he has his throat cut and his tongue ripped out?

This would be my inkling based upon initial research. Apologies if this is a surprise to you, or if my research is all entirely wrong. I have found no evidence stating that Masons are Christian. I have found many sources stating that they worship Satan.

LOL..believe as you wish..I know my husband,I know what he is involved in..I am planning on letting my sons join the De Molay which is a masonic children's organization.

kdet · Sep 13, 2003

Plan 9 said:
Of course you've found many sources which say that, but your sources are wrong.

Do you know how many US presidents were masons?
Look at this list of famous masons

http://www.toledoaasr.com/famous.htm

kdet · Sep 13, 2003

Plan 9 said:
People seem to spread these misconceptions like wildfire, too, Sweetkitty.

Even Pat Robertson has bought into some of these notions; he has some anti-Masonic material in one of his books.
Books featuring some of these myths sell very well, as long as they're both sensational and negative in nature.

It's the secrecy thing that drives people crazy

Plan 9 · Sep 13, 2003

Folks, I'm from Missouri and the idea of Harry S Truman being a satanist is laughable.

Plan 9 · Sep 13, 2003

sweetkitty said:
It's the secrecy thing that drives people crazy

I completely agree; that has to be it!

martinluther2003 · Sep 13, 2003

incompatable with christianity

ej · Sep 13, 2003

Plan 9 said:
Of course you've found many sources which say that, but your sources are wrong.

I'm happy to be corrected...

Please provide the correct sources so I may educate myself.
And please let me know how the Lodge publication made such a blooper regarding Masonic view of the Bible.

Thanks

martinluther2003 · Sep 13, 2003

It isn't secret...is it all over the internet. Just check out the free mason site that J. Lloyd posted. Very informative.

Plan 9 · Sep 13, 2003

emmajane said:
I'm happy to be corrected...

Please provide the correct sources so I may educate myself.
And please let me know how the Lodge publication made such a blooper regarding Masonic view of the Bible.

Thanks

A fine book on the subject is Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry, written by John J. Robinson, who is not a Mason himself, but a medieval historian.

This book will trace the origins of the Masons from the Knights Templar and will discuss some of the more sensational bestsellers which were out at the time. It's a fine starting place.

Thaddeus · Sep 13, 2003

Plan 9 said:
My fine Southern Baptist relatives, many of whom are Masons, would not agree with you.

Most masons wouldn't agree with me. I feel most are kept in the dark about things and the truth comes out slowly in the degrees one achieves.

eliseb I pray that you don't become a mason, especially a freemason.

I have a family member whose a mason and I do know that there is a lot of pagan symbolism amongst masons. Maybe most don't know or don't even care. I can't look in the hearts of men but I don't play with fire either.

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