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Then skip prophecy, and I'll say the same thing.Have you never heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?
Then skip prophecy, and I'll say the same thing.
The fact that Israel is still in existence, despite all attempts to eradicate her, shows divine protection.
Huh???
They only survived the ancient world BECAUSE they were surrounded by enemies.
Look at an ancient world map. See that blank area of land? It's quite dangerous. It's filled with barbarians. You see, if an emperor marches on your city, you can usually avoid the fight entirely by paying him tribute. He taxes you. If you are marched on by a barbarian army, you win or you are annihilated. Period. Jewish kings survived by bowing down and touching head to the ground.
You are quite a seer aren't you to so self-confidently make such a claim?!
Seers predict the future. I'm explaining the past.
Isn't that the same thing that the Hebrew prophets did? They reflected on past events from what they saw as God's point of view.
They also predicted future events.
Perhaps. But the same kind of thing happens every day. They were basically saying, If something doesn't change, then it is clear that a certain bad outcome will result because the people who are benefiting from the current situation are blind to facing the truth. This is just common sense and normal human behavior.
What if the stories and legends of the Bible were actually written as religious fables?
Seers predict the future. I'm explaining the past.
I consider prophet and seer one and the same...can find instances of Bible prophets...esp of the NT...bringing out insight from some past Scripture (as revealed to them through the Spirit). Support: I Peter 1:10, Hebrews 11:19 and II Peter 2:7...these are citations of prophets who speculate as to motives of those long deceased.
However, you missed the point of my comment which is that you claim insight and knowledge from outside the Bible pertaining to methods of the Jewish nation (even motive) when it comes to warfare or survival among her enemies. Could you cite your source/s for us?
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Isn't that the same thing that the Hebrew prophets did? They reflected on past events from what they saw as God's point of view.
My sources:
College
Perhaps the titles and/or authors of these college source books would shed a little more light.?
I was a math major. Not going to read those books. Those concepts are from lecture.
And besides, look at what I actually said and explain to me how it is wrong or nonsensical.
My first post to you here...referring to your comment as material only a seer of today might be able to produce (should he be competent before God)...I posted b/c you did not substantiate your claim/s. What one may infer from your comment is that the Bible accounts of Israel...the annihilation of many powerful and wicked nations resulting in the establishment of her as a nation as well as her leadership status was protected for ages (while they remained faithful to God)...all this you dismiss as untrue in favor of your comment.
Why should I accept that...I thought you were claiming history writes Israel's story this way...now it sounds as though rather that NV is the only one doing the claiming and not history. Bible to you seems to carry no authority...N.V.'s theories do? Why should one accept that?
Let me know please and then I will explain that it contradicts my source...the Bible account.
This presupposes that the people of ancient times were stupider that we are. Aesops fables were really well written stories that are older than the Bible and yet, everyone knew they were just that fables.
However, instead archaeological digs keep finding things that give evidence to the truthfulness of the Bible.
That said, you are free to not believe. However, to my thinking, even if I wanted to believe that somehow there is not a God, I find way to much evidence in real life and science to indicate that this world can't be the result of random chance. And there is no way to "invent" the comfort that comes from the Holy Spirit.
The Bible carries some authority, but very little. Certain authors in it have been caught lying so I remain highly skeptical. Also I don't appreciate you making me out as arrogant. I'm not pushing my own ideas but rather things I have humbly learned from PhD's.
Your answer was something about math books and so I concluded you were making your own educated guesses or inferences.
Again, I hope we can have a rational discussion.
(Wondering who these PhDs are that call our Bible and thus our God a liar, though.)
I know that there is archaeological evidence of the movements of Israel out of Egypt and was hoping to springboard into a discussion on that with you.
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