What If We're Wrong?

[AnthonyForChrist]

If there were no God, I believe that all human suffering, emotion and experience are for naught. If there were no morality upheld by a just and perfect God, then the consequences of one's actions have no antithesis, and no responding justice, and the cries of the billions who have suffered at the hands of the world have been uttered in vain. Evolution shows we are not evolving morally, our values are in decline. If evolution were true, then, we would be moreso approaching perfection through consolidated morailty. Yet we see this is not the case. My mind is fearful to think that we are the product of an impersonal, random occurance. While many see faith as weakness, I don't undertsnad how we can exist and be hopeful without it, as man has proved he is not changing, and his technology and materialistic pursuits are only endangering himself.
If there were no God, then I am not bound by the consequences of my actions, and suicide would be a most desirable response to the hopelessness of the world.

Have you ever wondered, "What if I was wrong? What if my faith has become a hindrance in my understanding of the world around me, a prevention of my enjoying life to the fullness, indulging in my "sinful" nature (although in discarding God, sin ceases to exist and effect as we know it to)?

 

[Henaynei]

If there were no God, .........Have you ever wondered, "What if I was wrong? What if my faith has become a hindrance in my understanding of the world around me, a prevention of my enjoying life to the fullness, indulging in my "sinful" nature (although in discarding God, sin ceases to exist and effect as we know it to)?

For myself, and I admit this might be a dangerous exercise for some, I have found that even when in despair I rail against and reject G-d, and I did so for several years once, even then I can find no other style of life and behavior that works a well or to which I really want to return.

Perhaps, for those who never tasted from the adversary's cup, the siren's song of "doing it their way" is alluring. Not here, I have drunk deeply from that cup, in many ways and in many places and with many people. If warning from experience can surfice, though it rarely does as "words to the wise" only works when speaking to the wise and few of us are savvy enough to be wise without "doing it myself," the fare on the trolley of sin is much too costly to justify the trip.

I deliberately and intellectually chose, shortly after my salvific experience with G-d nearly 30 years ago, to accept internally that His ways are truly higher than mine, and so His thoughts. I made the specific choice to look at scripture from this point of view: "where things don't seem to make sense or seem to conflict, it must be my imperfect and immature understanding, and not His Word"

This point of view has allowed me to hold tightly onto the veracity of His Word on the one hand using it as an absolute "yardstick" by which to gage all things, and on the ohter hand to grow through different stages from a babbling baby charismatic to a slightly more mature MJ (quite a journey but not for this post).

 

[SonWorshipper]

If there were no God, I believe that all human suffering, emotion and experience are for naught.

If there were no G-d there would be no humans to suffer, etc.

Have you ever wondered, "What if I was wrong? What if my faith has become a hindrance in my understanding of the world around me, a prevention of my enjoying life to the fullness, indulging in my "sinful" nature (although in discarding God, sin ceases to exist and effect as we know it to)?

Yes, I have wondered, and then I remember who is putting those thoughts into my head and say "get thee behind me"! We wouldn't have a "sinful nature" if there were no G-d, we know sin because we know G-d, it is against him what sin is.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

What if we are wrong and there is no God?

Here is an article I found online:
http://www.geocities.com/jrstrader2000/NoGod.htm

Shalom,
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[TransformedByGrace]

If there is no God, then we have nothing to worry about. It's the people who don't believe in God, and He does exist, that have a problem coming.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Hey there transformed, can I ask why your avatar has the Messianic seal, the cross , the fish the magen David and the 666?

 

[Oblio]

and the 666?

Uh ... Isn't that one of the modern Trinitarian symbols by Nelson Publishers or some other such concern ?

 

[Oblio]

I don't see a 666 anywhere

I've seen some people claim that the Trinty loop (for lack of a better term) is really 666. I think it was on one of those KJV only sites, but I really can't recall.

 

[nyj]

What if my faith has become a hindrance in my understanding of the world around me, a prevention of my enjoying life to the fullness, indulging in my "sinful" nature (although in discarding God, sin ceases to exist and effect as we know it to)?

I know I'm not a Messianic Jew, but I've thought about this question alot and hope no one minds me piping in with my few ducats. If God does not exist, opinion and thought is all relative. There is no right or wrong way to go about things. Everything would be subjective, never objective because there was no One to ever establish what was, what is and what should be. Therefore, if there were no God, you couldn't be hindered in your understanding of the world because no single opinion would better than any other. Know what I am saying?

Second, how would leading a Christian life leave you any the worse off? By indulging in your sinful nature, do you mean that you'd like to partake in things such as sexual sins? This would, of course, lead you into deeper troubles, such as sexually transmitted diseases which could ultimately lead to a quicker, untimely demise. Nothing to be enjoyed there if you ask me.

I don't think, as a Christian, you lose anything in this life, even if God were not to exist. I hate to play the Pascal wager, but I'll simply say this: Exactly what do you gain in this life if you don't believe in God?

 

[nephilimiyr]

For myself, and I admit this might be a dangerous exercise for some, I have found that even when in despair I rail against and reject G-d, and I did so for several years once, even then I can find no other style of life and behavior that works a well or to which I really want to return.

Perhaps, for those who never tasted from the adversary's cup, the siren's song of "doing it their way" is alluring. Not here, I have drunk deeply from that cup, in many ways and in many places and with many people. If warning from experience can surfice, though it rarely does as "words to the wise" only works when speaking to the wise and few of us are savvy enough to be wise without "doing it myself," the fare on the trolley of sin is much too costly to justify the trip.

I deliberately and intellectually chose, shortly after my salvific experience with G-d nearly 30 years ago, to accept internally that His ways are truly higher than mine, and so His thoughts. I made the specific choice to look at scripture from this point of view: "where things don't seem to make sense or seem to conflict, it must be my imperfect and immature understanding, and not His Word"

This point of view has allowed me to hold tightly onto the veracity of His Word on the one hand using it as an absolute "yardstick" by which to gage all things, and on the ohter hand to grow through different stages from a babbling baby charismatic to a slightly more mature MJ (quite a journey but not for this post).

This sounds exactly like me!

 

[SonWorshipper]

Gnostic origins

 

[TransformedByGrace]

It's the sign of the Trinity, i got this pic from the POD website, it's a controversial symbol, I've heard something different from everyone I talk to. I think that confusion doesn't come from God. I accept it as the modern symbol of the Trinity, and don't really listen to most stories people tell me about it. I think it's probably 90% gossip...

 

[SonWorshipper]

I have a book called the Aquarian Conspiracy and it uses that symbol on its cover, it is a symbol of the New Age movement with very dark overtones.


This is a common, ancient celtic symbol and basic ideogram for a high spiritual dignity.

This place calls this the Trinity symbol



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Since you said that you got this from the POD website I looked that up and found this:



[font=Arial, helvetica]On P.O.D.'s website (www.thesouthtown.com) under the section "Frequently Asked Questions", someone asks about the "trinity symbol"?

What does the trinity symbol mean?
The symbol is known as a 'triquetra' that is derived from ancient Celtic knotwork & adopted by Christians around St. Patrick's time as a symbol of the Trinity(Father, Son, & Holy Spirit). The interweaving lines represent One being in Three seperate, but equal parts.
(http://www.thesouthtown.com/faq/#6)​

But there's one problem with representing the Trinity, or the Godhead with symbols — it's CLEARY FORBIDDEN in the Bible!


Acts 17:29, clearly FORBIDS such symbology: ". . . we ought NOT to think that the Godhead [the Trinity] is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, GRAVEN BY ART [symbols, icons, etc.] and man's device."



That could NOT POSSIBLY be any clearer! To represent the Trinity or God as a "symbol" or "image", etc. is strictly forbidden. All throughout the Old Testament the use of graven images are strictly forbidden! The very FIRST of the ten commandments forbids such symbolism!

WHAT ABOUT THE P.O.D. SYMBOL?

The Triqueta is used as the centerpiece for the logo for The Institute of Transpersonal Psychology (ITP). The ITP is a new age school following the Jungian Psychology [occultist Carl Jung]. One of their stated goals is ". . . to reach the recognition of divinity within"(www.itp.edu/about/tp.html) (see Genesis 3:5, "...ye shall be as gods...")
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