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What If Israel Had Never Been Created?

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There were also Jews, including Yizchak Shamir, willing to join forces with the Third Reich and fight against the British in return for a Jewish state.
 
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Wrong. There had been violence since at least the beginning of the 1900's. Plus, it was Israel that was attacked in 1948; it was not the attacker.

has been gradually transformed into an Apartheid state by the machinations of the Zionist Movement. That Apartheid state, in turn, is today dominated by Israel’s Death-Mayhem-and- Occupation Machine. [2]
Buzz words.
Guesswork.

The land Palestine is on now could've been free and indepedent if they didn't attack Israel immediately after its creation.

There were also Jews, including Yizchak Shamir, willing to join forces with the Third Reich and fight against the British in return for a Jewish state.[/b]
Most temporarily joined forces with Britain.
 
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While I'm open to idea that the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of the Muslim world perhaps wasn't a very good idea, lists such as the one presented are thoroughly pointless. While mostly true, they can always only present things that wouldn't have happened, giving the impression of a perfect world if it weren't for that one little mistake. But they don't take into account that there are many possible scenarios that perhaps could have happened precisely because of the one difference. True, if the history of the world was changed so radically and more than 50 years ago, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. That doesn't mean that the world would be a better place than it is. Perhaps the creation of Israel prevented a catastrophic sequence of events that would have eventually lead to a nuclear war. We'll never know.
 
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By your so called logic italy and japan are currently sending terrorists to attack america because they allied with the nazis in world war 2.
I commend your artistry in such skilled twisting of my words

My comment was in response to the #1 contention of the OP which stated that if the present state of Israel had not been created in 1948....
The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World
and I was pointing out that the US had enemies in the Islamic world long before the US had made even the smallest move of support of the Jewish people - thus saying suggesting that the reason the US has enemies in the Islamic world stems from our support of Israel and the Jewish people is fallacious.
 
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17. U.S. taxpayers would be $140 billion richer! This is the staggering amount they have shelled out over the last 58 years to support the ultra-greedy interests of the Zionist Cartel. [3]

Well, lets not kid ourselves here, the taxpayer wouldn't get richer, because the politicians in Washington would have found some Stealth Bombers or Seawolf subs to blow that money on instead. Remember, in Washington politicans view taxes as THEIR money, not the peoples.
 
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I commend your artistry in such skilled twisting of my words

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I swear upon my honour I am not "twisting" your words. You said something that means japan and italy are currently attacking the U.S. so you are wrong. You probably mean something else but I still don't know what that is.
 
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But there's a picture of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand. Not only that, Rusmfeld was smiling. What more do you need?

I almost posted another famous photo of two people shaking hands. Then I thought better of it. No need to bring Rosalyn Carter into this.
 
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Henaynei

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I swear upon my honour I am not "twisting" your words. You said something that means Japan and Italy are currently attacking the U.S. so you are wrong. You probably mean something else but I still don't know what that is.
no I did not - please re-read my last post again - I clarified what I was addressing. Perhaps re-reading the OP's #1 assertion (the first on the list that she presented of things that would be different if Israel had not been inaugurated in 1948), the one to which I was responding, will help clarify the context of my comment

b'Shalom
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no I did not

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Yes you did.
If it is reasonable to say that arabs would be currently attacking the U.S. because they were allied to the nazis then it has to be reasonable to say that japan and italy would be currenlty attacking the U.S. because they were allied to the nazis. This is not true so the only conlcusion you make is not talk about world war 2 at all. I mean you could say the U.S. loved communists since the U.S. was allied with Stalin against the nazis in world war 2.
 
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Yep, we see how peaceful the middle east is to each other. When dealing with each other.

Israel is a nice scape goat for ME troubles. And they might stir some up. But the utopia discribed in the OP
would not happen. If they weren't massing weapons to use against Israel, they would be massing to use on some other country.

And the US would have mettled with goverments anyway. Which lead to the problem leaders we faced in recent history.
It's like saying if WWI hadn't happened, WWII would have been prevented. People manipulated events that lead to what happened. And more then likely they would have manipulated other events to a comon outcome.
 
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Saddam was on cia payroll in 1959. We put him in charge of iraq. How sik is that?

Source? That is a pretty huge claim.

But there's a picture of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand. Not only that, Rusmfeld was smiling. What more do you need?

There are pictures of Richard Nixon smiling and shaking Mao Tse-tung's hand and Pres. Kim Daejung smiling and shaking Kim Jong-il's hands...

It is sort of a 'political meetings happen and people try to be pleasant' style.

It proves nothing.
 
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Correction. If it was a democrat in the photo, it would prove an attempt at diplomacy. However, it it's a Republican, it's proof of a war crime.
 
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