What I don't understand about the arguement for Abortion.

Blackwater Babe · Jul 1, 2012

TomZzyzx said:
Human Being is defined as - any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the speices Homo Sapiens.

The unborn is a member of the species Homo Sapiens (which you just stated

Is that a scientific definition? I think not.

TomZzyzx · Jul 1, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
The ones where you say "The Bible is totally against abortion", then when shown where the Bible supports it, you say, "Oh, well that sort of abortion is OK, but the Bible is totally against all the other types of abortion, and anyway, I bet not many people do the Biblical one"

Please tell me where I said that the bible is totally against abortion. You must either have a bad memory or you think I'm someone else. I'm the one that told you I don't need the bible to prove that abortion is wrong.

Please stop misrepresenting what I've said. I didn't say that kind of abortion is ok. In fact I believe it was only for the Jews of the Old Testament. All I did was paraphrased what the text said, asked a question and gave my opinion.

TomZzyzx · Jul 1, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
Is that a scientific definition? I think not.

Did I say it was a scientific definition? Did you read the corrected post. If so then please tell me which part is wrong.

Blackwater Babe · Jul 1, 2012

I'm not playing imply then deny with you. We all know what you said, and what you meant.

Blackwater Babe · Jul 1, 2012

TomZzyzx said:
Did I say it was a scientific definition? Did you read the corrected post. If so then please tell me which part is wrong.

Originally Posted by TomZzyzx

Embryonic science has already established that the unborn is a Human Being/life at conception.

Embryonic science sure makes it look like your talking about scientific definitions.

TomZzyzx · Jul 2, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
I'm not playing imply then deny with you. We all know what you said, and what you meant.

Your not proving to anyone you know what I said or meant by saying that I said things that I never said.

And can you please answer some more questions I have asked you?

TomZzyzx · Jul 2, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
Embryonic science sure makes it look like your talking about scientific definitions.

Only when you mix two different posts of mine together. Are you going to answer any of my questions or are you just going to play games?

Blackwater Babe · Jul 2, 2012

TomZzyzx said:
Only when you mix two different posts of mine together. Are you going to answer any of my questions or are you just going to play games?

Oh, so the meaning of human being varies between your posts huh? Thats good to know.

What questions would you like me to answer, specifically? And I am not interest6ed in playing semantic tapdancing either. I showed you places the Bible appears to condone abortion, in at least some cases, and really thats pretty much my point.

mathetes123 · Jul 2, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
Yes... IF... the father of the child calls for a punishment, AND, the important point, while the verse calls for a punishment, please not what the punishment IS, and then compare to the OT punishment for murder. The point is that they are clearly NOT considered to be remotely the same by the OT.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Abortion is the intentional taking of a life.

FrancesJames09 · Jul 3, 2012

Beren Erchamion said:
Actually, all Christians believe it. Those who don't, are not Christians. A number of them are Paulinists: acolytes of the cult of Jesus and Jehovah under the spell of the false prophet and anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus.

Oh, jeez, Paul's not that bad . . .

I think a lot of people misread Paul due to some of the rhetorical devices that he uses. As an example, a lot of people think that he behind the notion of a woman having to cover her hair when she was in Church. He wasn't. If you read the whole thing, what he was doing was setting up the argument of the person whom he thought was in error and then he attacks bits of the argument in a following discourse.

You would find that in quite a few instances, Paul acknowledges the equality of men and women.

But I digress . . .

To get to the original argument, I think the Bible shows that at least in one instance it allowed for abortion.

William II · Jul 5, 2012

The right to privacy granted under the 14th and 9th amendments extend to a woman's right to choose an abortion. I'll agree with the Supreme Court on this one. They probably know a BIT more about the law than I do.

TomZzyzx · Jul 5, 2012

Beren Erchamion said:
Actually, all Christians believe it. Those who don't, are not Christians. A number of them are Paulinists: acolytes of the cult of Jesus and Jehovah under the spell of the false prophet and anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus.

So your saying that anyone who believe Classical Christian doctrines is not a Christian? Please explain.

TomZzyzx · Jul 5, 2012

Beren Erchamion said:
Indeed; so is vaccination (when it is an antibody vaccination) and chemotherapy.

As far as I know vaccinations and chemotherapy do not kill Human Beings. So you would be incorrect.

TomZzyzx · Jul 5, 2012

William II said:
The right to privacy granted under the 14th and 9th amendments extend to a woman's right to choose an abortion. I'll agree with the Supreme Court on this one. They probably know a BIT more about the law than I do.

Just because something is legal does not mean that it is a moral good.

TomZzyzx · Jul 5, 2012

Blackwater Babe said:
Oh, so the meaning of human being varies between your posts huh? Thats good to know.

What questions would you like me to answer, specifically? And I am not interest6ed in playing semantic tapdancing either. I showed you places the Bible appears to condone abortion, in at least some cases, and really thats pretty much my point.

Here's a question I've asked you twice without an answer, if the unborn is not a Human Being then what kind of Being is it?

Tinker Grey · Jul 6, 2012

Beren Erchamion said:
Neither does abortion.

I think you'd do better to use the terms human and person.

I think you are using the term human being correctly, that is to indicate a person, but this term muddies the waters about what is human and what is not. A skin cell is human, but it certainly is not a person. Cancer is human, our cells gone awry. However, that apparently independently growing thing is not a person.

The reasonable question then is when does a foetus become a person.

I think you and Tom are talking past each other.

TomZzyzx · Jul 6, 2012

Beren Erchamion said:
Neither does abortion.

Then what kind of 'Being' does it kill?

mathetes123 · Jul 6, 2012

Beren Erchamion said:
Indeed, because the doctrines of Paul and his successors are categorically incompatible with the teachings of the Christ.

Can you give examples?

purpledolphin8402 · Jul 6, 2012

TomZzyzx said:
As far as I know vaccinations and chemotherapy do not kill Human Beings. So you would be incorrect.

My grandpa died because chemotherapy caused his liver and kidneys to fail...

William II · Jul 6, 2012

TomZzyzx said:
Just because something is legal does not mean that it is a moral good.

I don't believe that it's the governments responsibility to regulate your personal life or what you put in/do to your body. Is abortion right? No. I sure as hell wouldn't get one, but I'm not everybody.

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