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What I don't understand about the arguement for Abortion.

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You didn't directly answer my question. Do you believe that you have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body?

No one is asking you to authoritise the taking of a "life". You don't have to have any involvement in it. However, you don't have the right to authoritise what another person does with her own body.

A fetus is not scientifically recognised as a human being, just for the record. Hence why, in scientific terms, it is not classed as a baby until later months of pregnancy. Of course, you haven't read these scientific articles. Either that or you're just choosing to ignore them.
 
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Trogool said:
Precisely. Your authority is neither required nor desired in women's health issues.

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I just love how pro-abortion people use innocent sounding words to describe what they are advocating. Abortion is not an issue of taking a life, but a woman's health issue. What percentage of abortions are due to health and what percentage for convenience? Another is calling an unborn baby a "fetus", as if dehumanizing the unborn makes the practice acceptable.

It is for the unborn child's health issues. Someone needs to advocate for the most innocent among us who cannot speak up for themselves.
 
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It is for the unborn child's health issues. Someone needs to advocate for the most innocent among us who cannot speak up for themselves.

*roll eyes*

Such a petty excuse for intruding legislation to control female sexuality and bothering in other people's business. Conservatives always claim they are for small government. This is a blatant example of how untrue that is.

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Shouldn't the Mother be the one doing that? It's her "child". Let her decide what needs to be done in terms of the "child's health issues". Her body, her womb, her life; her choice.

It isn't "innocent sounding words", treacle; it's the truth. It is a fetus. Read up on it. You might be shocked at just how much there is about pregnancy you don't know! It is a woman's health issue. There's morning sickness, the pregnancy itself, cravings, labour, birth, tearing, scarring, stretch-marks...shall I go on?
 
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*roll eyes*

Such a petty excuse for intruding legislation to control female sexuality and bothering in other people's business. Conservatives always claim they are for small government. This is a blatant example of how untrue that is.
Exactly, I 100% agree with you. Conservatives are only just starting to get their heads around the fact that women actually ENJOY sex!
 
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It is you who needs the education. Nobody argues that the unborn is not a human being any more. Science has already determined that the unborn is a human being. If it's not a human being, then what kind of being is it? Dog, monkey, elephant, maybe a fish? No! Human beings only produce other human beings.

I know exactly what an abortion is. It is the killing of an innocent human being.

I have every right in trying to save the lives of innocent human beings.

I didn't say anything about God or having to believe in God. You don't have believe in God to know that an abortion kills an innocent human being.
 
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SaraJarvis

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And that's BAD! They must be punished for it!
Oh, absolutely! Clap a scarlet letter on me, and send me to the pillory!

@TomZzyzx:
No, love; I have an education. However, there is a difference between a living, breathing baby with fingernails, eyes, etc. and a tiny little fetus no bigger than a 50 pence piece. Just ain't the same, I'm afraid!

You might want to think about that in better detail. Of course we produce other human beings. That's a very immature argument.
 
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If you think you have the right to kill an innocent human being, then I have the right to tell you what you are doing is wrong.

You don't know much about science. Like I have said before, science has already determined that the unborn is a 100 percent human being. Don't know what "record" your talking about.
 
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SaraJarvis

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Quick, lets reference the doctrine of original sin and do a check on whether fetuses are really "innocent human beings"

St. Augustine says no.
Hahaha, isn't it funny how that little bit of scripture always gets forgotten, when it comes to the abortion argument?
 
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Oh dear me. We're talking about different levels of development here, you see. Now, at conception (when the sperm and the egg come together), they create a fetus. It's a little thing that will grow into a baby. However, for the first three months or so, although it is of human DNA (that is, of a man and a woman), it actually bears no resemblance to a baby, and can't even feel, smell, see, touch, etc. This is a fetus.



Anyway; I'm off to bed. I really look forward waking up and reading a science lecture from a male, who is not a doctor, and believes that a woman should give up her human rights because patriarchal society insists that it must be so!
 
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Of corse there is a difference between the unborn and a baby. There is a difference between a baby and you. Does that mean that you're not a human being?

You say your educated and yet you don't know that the unborn is living?

That's why nobody argues that the unborn is not a human being, because it's immature.
 
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Oh, God, I can't resist. One more before bed.

Of COURSE it is living, sweetie! It isn't a baby, though! What my point is, is that it hasn't reached full development, and it therefore is not inhumane to abort.

You keep repeating your opinion; it's ignorant. Abortion wouldn't be legal if it was murder.
 
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I'm not arguing that there isn't a difference between a fetus and a baby. I am saying that the unborn is a human being at conception.

Development or lack of resemblance has nothing to do with whether the unborn is a human being or not.
 
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Nothing but a blob. Wow. 'Nuff said.
 
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A baby fresh out of the womb has not reached full development, yet you don't dAre advocate terminating its life?
 
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You don't have to be a doctor to read a science book. The question should be whether or not you have actually read a science book.

But you believe that the unborn should give up it's human rights so you can justify killing it, don't you?
 
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Hahaha, isn't it funny how that little bit of scripture always gets forgotten, when it comes to the abortion argument?

Oh yeah, trolololol

 
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Trogool

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You don't have to be a doctor to read a science book. The question should be whether or not you have actually read a science book.

You do realize that science is published in journals, not books, right?

But you believe that the unborn should give up it's human rights so you can justify killing it, don't you?

Fetuses and embryos don't have human rights.
 
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