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True, that's what my College organization does, they provide scholarships for college moms and babysitting, besides dialogue and discussion.
 
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I'm beyond caring. I'm sick of trying to be something I'm not. I'll probably just end up dead from depression anyway,.

Hi MariaJLM - hope you don't mind me saying that this post made me laugh - it's something I feel so many times but you managed to put it so straight down the line that I just nodded and said "yip - that pretty much sums it up".

I know you didn't post it that way, and I'm sorry you feel like that, but it hit my sad and funny bone all at the same time.

Blessings
 
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You are correct, to some degree, that I wouldn't be for that. The thing I hate about socialism and liberalism in general is this idea of "pragmatism" over morality. Any sane person would look at heroin addiction, lament it, pity the addicts, and try to fund rehabs while discouraging shooting up this heinous drug. But in places like San Francisco, my state's liberal utopia, they give them fresh needles. Pragmatism. Well, these dopers are going to keep shooting up drugs anyway, might as well give them clean needles to shoot up without passing HIV around! Pragmatism is the sanctioning and surrender of sin, accepting sin as inevitable and unstoppable. I see the arguments with abortion. Supposedly if we dumped heaps of money into the projects and gang-banger-infested neighborhoods, give these folks everything for free, they'll miraculously stop aborting their babies. Not buying it.

A good example of this theory of "dump more money into poor communities, less abortions, Voila!" is the 8 years of the Obama Administration. People were saying, well, Obama's administration had WAY less abortions than during the Reagan, Bush, and second Bush administrations! Obama gave crazy amounts of dough to Planned Parenthood, had contraception everywhere, dolled out the welfare, pumped up the food stamps, gave folks free phones, and Obamacare affordable insurance flowed! As a result, mamas didn't have to abort their babies as much!

There is a problem with that whole line of thinking. It starts with statistics. The CDC reports the abortion figures for the United States. Under 60% of the abortion clinics in the United States actually report their stats to the CDC. California, for example, my state, reports ZERO abortion data to the CDC. And California, due to its off-the-charts awful amount of abortion clinics and easy access to infanticide coupled with its liberal encouragement to women to slaughter their children, California is likely a MONSTER baby-killing mill of a state. California doesn't report the data to the CDC. Maryland and New Hampshire also do not report to the CDC.

So this really prompts the question---how do we know when abortion rates are down? Can we truly draw a link between more welfare, freebies, free or cheap health care, and other things with relation to abortion? I would argue we just can't since the biggest state in the Union refuses to report along with two others. California hasn't reported abortion stats since 1997. That's been a while.

If a robust economy deters women from aborting their children, then under Trump we should see a steep decline since this is the greatest economy America has seen in generations. Black unemployment, Hispanic unemployment, female unemployment, all record lows. So this should mean women will suddenly keep and love their babies.....or we'll never find out because the stats are so deceptive and funky.

Yes, but I doubt people like Gurney would be for that :/.
 
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Look at it this way. As Christians, we have to subsume our personal beliefs and biases to Christ and the Church. If your personal belief or conviction goes against the Church, we have to change OUR beliefs and OUR biases. The Church does not change for us, Christ is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. If that's hard for you, it is your cross to bear, just as everybody carries their own burdens.

If one of my beliefs conflicts with the Church's teaching than it is I who is in error, not the Church.
 
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Actually, the UK did have a bustling computer industry at one point. Popular computers in the 80s were the BBC micro and machines from Sinclair and Acorn. One of the companies that stayed on as the rest of the industry went away is ARM holdings, which currently sells its IP holdings for ARM processors that end up in iPhones, Androids and other low power devices.

Backend servers for things like websites run on Linux, which was made popular with the idea of making software open source (code is visible to all under a free software license) and a community. Today, there’s a lot of corporate contributions, but it still runs along the same community oriented model.
 
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Largely true.

However the company I work for is working on bleeding edge technology that 3 main contractors in the USA have said is impossible. Sadly that tech is being used to potentially kill people in conflict zones hence the reason I want out ASAP. Dreadful company and dreadful atmosphere in the place....
 
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The reason my own 3 children are outstanding and so many other amazing kids I know are just that, amazing, is that they had moms who stayed home, raised them THEMSELVES, and didn't dump them into daycare, casting their kids to strangers to raise them in their stead. Personally, I hate daycare, and I see it as part of the sad system that has made millions of kids a mess. Parents no longer spend time with their own kids. They live with a stranger by day, stay in an afterschool program in the afternoon, and their "babysitter" when mom does come home is, drum roll-------the iPad! I watch these "parents" in every restaurant, doctor's office, business, and store in my town...little tiny kid in a stroller with an iPad or iPhone and the kid is a mindless zombie. They zone out and are drones, slaves to electronics. So, is daycare the "surefire" salvation you say it is? Well, I know heaps and heaps of awful kids in my classroom over the last 21 years who had full 100% daycare from infancy. And they're a mess.

There is no such thing as "free" healthcare. We all know that. There's a reason Americans' taxes aren't astronomical and our gasoline doesn't cost $8.00-$12.00 per gallon.

Cheaper tuition used to be the norm----until the U.S. government took over as the sole lender of student debt. As soon as universities and colleges learned that good ole Uncle Sam would foot the bill for all tuition, and that said tuition is guaranteed by the feds, colleges knew they could charge even more. Then they knew they could get even more.....and more....and more. This is why universities fund these extravagant sabbaticals for professors, pay folks like Hillary Clinton $100,000 to speak at their campuses, and spend money like it's being printed in the basement. They know there is literally no end to what they can charge and get from Uncle Sam. You can think government loans for the insane tuition. We haven't seen the states or the feds do anything to reign in the absurd costs of college. College shouldn't be this expensive. It's absurd. I remember when I was at Cal State Fresno, circa 1996, they charged $25 for you to "transfer" your transcripts from one department within the same university to another. Yes, two departments that are like 300 yards from each other on the same campus....$35 and it's done electronically anyway? $50 parking permit fee in 1995. Now it's over a hundred bucks. Processing fees for everything, overpaid liberal professors who teach most kids that America is a worthless racist backwater joke that needs to be annihilated and rebuilt. Meh....universities are a joke.

As far as wages are concerned, the U.S. has like the sixth highest median income in the world. Can't be all bad. I will concede, however, that wage growth has declined in proportion to inflation mostly due to the diminishment of unions in the workplace. Union membership decline and the rise of "right to work" states has created a decline.



 
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What’re you designing?!? Drones!?

 
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Yeah, defense contractors are always a sticky situation. A lot of those companies seem to exist to just overbill the government for everything. There's one that's in my town and some of the comments I've heard from former co-workers are less than flattering. I don't know how it is in the UK, but if you have a security clearance, that should open future job opportunities for other positions. Some defense or research jobs in the US won't even look at your resume unless you have or have held a clearance of some kind.

As for the whole developing weapons or other stuff, there's two ways to look at it. You can see it as an immoral action or you can see it as a way to deter or remove future threats from causing more harm. Both are valid in my opinion and that's kind of reflected in some of the saints. There were those who were peacekeepers and those who were soldiers that participated in battle.

In any case, I hope your job situation improves! Bad workplaces are never good for you.
 
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I will say one thing about "pragmatism" and its effect on a personal level.

When I was 12 years old, with no real interest in boys, my mother took me to a doctor and had me put on birth control. It was a horrible experience for me, and I felt like she was saying "you're going to run around and have sex with lots of boys anyway, and I don't want you bringing home a baby". Actually she did say something to the effect that I would be having sex.

I remember being a little bit heartbroken, and sad to learn that "this is how things are". There was zero expectation that I could be better than that?

I continued for some time not to be interested in boys, just going to school and doing my homework and being "on the pill" ... but it did something to mess up how I thought of myself.

I loved my mother, and I'm sure she thought she was doing the right thing. She was a nurse, very practical, rather feminist, raising 3 kids with zero help from two ex-husbands. May God grant her mercy and rest. But I still think this is a tragic way to raise a child.

 
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My problem with the theology of birth control is that there is an undebatable link between birth control and widespread women's ability to develop academically, professionally and even spiritually and have far richer lives. In turn, that means I have the great gift of a wiser, more knowledgeable, experienced and achieved beautiful wife, who has before proven she was able to be in the leadership of a fortune 100 company and now stays at home to raise our child by choice. I cannot reconcile something evil having such pervasive wonderful downstream effect. I'm not drawing any conclusions, and I don't dare think I have some truth I discovered myself, I am just saying I have an inner controversy on the topic.
 
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I have an inner controversy too - based on several reasons. But if I bring them out, I think it just invites discussion of the appropriateness (or not) of economia. (I'm not saying yours does that - your reasons are different from mine.)

I'm thankful it's no longer a question for me to be in conflict about. I'm past the age to get pregnant, and I was past the age to successfully carry a child some years ago. Because I probably would experience distress on some level if it was a matter of decision for me.

I did want more children though ...
 
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I do think that, ideally, one parent should be staying home rather than dropping their kids off at some stronger's home but in today's society that is often simply not possible. The costs of living are so absurdly high that it requires two incomes. Even more so here in Canada. The more children one has the more it only increases. Stay at home parents *can* be possible, but typically only if one is already extremely wealthy or has no more than one or two children.
 
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It seems people who believe like us (I share your beliefs, though I am a tutor not a teacher ) are becoming extinct
 
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It seems people who believe like us (I share your beliefs, though I am a tutor not a teacher ) are becoming extinct

Due to mocking, name calling and ridicule to mention some of the reasons why...
 
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I can't speak about this personally (for obvious reasons), but there have been women I know of who went through similar things. I have heard that the pill is "necessary for regulation" and similar things, but that just can't be right. God already created the perfect system for all of us, a system that humans have been using since the dawn of time. That system has been and continues to be upended in Western Society. It's quite a shame. Our parents honestly didn't know better, and now we are forced to bear these same decisions for our children.

It's already been said, but I think that the role of Capitalism has impacted our ideas of what is and isn't normal. Everyone is in a rush to reach the top of their profession, to make big money, to go on vacations and own fancy items. In this pursuit, they forget about the true meaning of life. They forget about their faith, their family and their children. At the end of the day it is the children who suffer the most under this system. Just as little girls are put on chemical pills to regulate their natural functions, little boys are put on ADD and ADHD medicine that wreck their brains and turn them into shells of themselves. Then there are children who are outright abandoned - they end up on street drugs, locked in prison, in homeless camps etc. all because of the selfishness of humankind.
 
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Hey, just letting you know my wife is a new convert to Orthodoxy, she holds near identical views. She has felt isolated at times, esoecially in the LCMS (Lutheranism) but has found Orthodoxy to be a wonderful experience. I pray you find solace, keep up the faith, keep the prayers. You are not alone.
 
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Thank you. I needed to hear this. It can be quite isolating, especially in a church that is seen as being "right-wing" and where nearly anything even remotely resembling leftism is widely condemned. I fully admit to having leftist sensibilities, but I'd say it stems primarily from my upbringing in poverty. I think people should just be thankful I'm no longer a full-blown Marxist as I was before I converted.
 
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