Eye catching title is only meant to spark interest but of course there is a kernel of truth to it because any object in flight that is unidentifiable is by definition, a UFO. We will revisit this point in a few moments.
Here are some overall facts about 9/11 but the strict focus here is on flight 77.
1. The Bush Admin. did everything possible to prevent any investigations into that day. (Normal rebuttle is to hide incompetence on their part, however, not a single government employee lost their job. So, if incompetence was the reason, it would have been at a level lower than the Oval Office, yet not a single person got fired.)
2. The only reason the 9/11 Commission happened is because surviving family members and loved ones did not accept the one day investigation and conviction the Bush administration offered the American public. This is the root of what many refer to as the "Truth Movement." It did not start with bored schizophrenic government hating people, but with those effected the deepest by that day.
3. It is a fact the 9/11 Commission was seriously hampered by the Bush administration during their investigation and that the Pentagon lied to the Commission regarding air defense response. The importance of the last part will be revealed shortly.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14191255/
4. Here are the conditions under which Bush and Cheney would meet with the Commission. (Keep in mind this is basically an extravagant murder investigation)
A. Neither would testify under oath. (Executive Privilege was cited so no big deal other than the fact only those who won't, or are unable to tell the Truth avoid taking Oaths to do so.)
B. They would only meet with the Commission together at the same exact time.
C. They demanded, and were able to review all of the Commission's findings up to that point, including the testimony of all others who were questioned.
As for that last one, how many find it suspicious two people who are not suspects, demand to review what the investigation has discovered up to that point?
Three-thousand Americans were murdered on 9/11 and the Bush Admin carried the heavy burden of defending the Constitution, which put them in the position of prosecution for explaining that day and punishing all those responsible. Here is their claim for flight 77:
8:20 AM: Flight 77 takes off from Dulles International Airport for Los Angeles then minutes after its scheduled departure.
8:33 AM: Flight 77 reached its cruising altitude of 31,000 feet.
8:50 AM: Last radio contact is made with Flight 77.
8:54 AM: Flight 77 begins to go off course toward the southwest.
8:56 AM: Flight 77's transponder is turned off.
8:56 - 9:24 AM : Flight 77 is reported missing and a search is initiated. The Pentagon increased its alert status. A flight attendant called her mother via cell phone and reported a hijacking.
9:03 - 9:37: Defense Official at Pentagon says: "We are next".
9:05 AM: Flight 77 reappears on radar, but Flight Controller doesn't notice.
9:10 AM: Washington control notices an incoming plane on radar with no radio contact and no transponder.
9:12 AM: Flight 77 attendant has confirmed hijacking with call to her mother.
9:24 AM: the FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 77 may be headed towards Washington. There was no attempt to evacuate the Pentagon.
9:25 AM: Barbara Olson reportedly made a phone call to her husband. There are varying accounts of this call but it is where the information about box cutters and knives allegedly came from.
9:30 AM: Flight 77 is tracked on radar 30 miles from Washington.
9:35 AM: Flight 77 is reported at 7000 feet flying more than 400 mph. As AA Flight 77 approached the Pentagon, the Arab pilot, Hani Hanjour, executed a 330-degree 7,000-foot descent over Washington while flying at 500 mph
The hijacker pilot advances the throttles to maximum power, dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.
9:37 AM: Flight 77 disappears from radar 6 miles from Washington.
9:38 AM: The Boeing 757 approaches the Pentagon on a horizontal trajectory so low that it clipped the power lines across the street, taking out light poles, then it slammed into the west side of the Pentagon into the newly remodeled Army financial management/audit area, the Army personnel offices, and the Naval Command Center. Casualties were heavy
With the exception of a few airplane parts, all 100 tons of the Boeing 757 were incinerated in the resulting fireball. Using DNA analysis, the US Government said it identified the remains of all but one victim aboard Flight 77.
That is there case. Here is a list of questions and this thread is by no means a full comprehension but after viewing the following it should be clear it is not necessary.
The alleged hijacker pilot Hani Hanjour:
This is a man who had never in his life flown a 757. According to flight instructors who knew him he wasn't even a capable Cessna pilot. In the second week of August 2001, Hanjour tried unsuccessfully to rent a Cessna:
"That plot was in high gear by the second week of August, when Hanjour arrived in the Washington area for what appears to have been his final preparation - this time, at Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md. Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour_history.html
He received a commercial pilot's license but where and how is a question the FAA has been unable to answer. The 9/11 Commission claims he received extensive flight training and was an accomplished pilot. Unfortunately, there is no corroborating evidence outside of the Commission and the FBI at best, has been able to only offer specualtion.
"However, besides the 9/11 Commission Report, no other evidence exists of Hanjour passing this certification flight. A search of the Lexis Nexus database indicates there are no mentions of Hanjour attending this school, or any witnesses recalling him there. This account is also in contradiction to numerous other reports, according to which Hanjour was a very poor pilot who could not fly at all. (see January-February 2001; Mid-August 2001)
Entity Tags: Hani Hanjour, Congressional Air Charters
Category Tags: Hani Hanjour
So, we the jury are asked to believe an inept Cessna pilot was able to perform ace pilot moves on a 757 dropping it more than a mile in 2.5 minutes, maintain control, navigate over tree tops, smack down light poles, and expertly navigate the huge plane at over 400 miles per hour into the first floor of the Pentagon.
The next problem: We do not have a single clear or even semi-clear image of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. Given all the surveillance the Pentagon has itself and the 80+ videos taken by the FBI, even six years after 9/11, the Bush admin cannot produce one single definitive image. Here is a link to what the Pentagon has released regarding video footage:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml
"Before the employees at the Pentagon gas station and the Sheraton National Hotel could even rewind their security camera film which was pointed right at the point of impact at the Pentagon, the FBI swooped down and confiscated all videos. They have them and they will not release them. Same as the videos taken by the FBI from the Virginia Department of Transportation which will also show exactly what flew into the Pentagon. The FBI has them and they won't release them. Why not?"
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd63.htm
A common counter to this is: "What about all the eyewitnesses?" What about them? How many could positively identify flight 77 moving at over 400 mph that descended almost straight down? How is it in one of the largest tourist capitals of the US not a single image has been produced? There are tons of eyewitnesses who claim they heard several explosions in the lower parts of the towers before they collapsed so one cannot accept Pentagon eyewitnesses while simultaneously dismissing Tower witnesses. Moreover, eyewitness testimony is only as reliable as supporting evidence will allow. In this case, we have zero.
Next we have a most unexpected and possibly most damaging testimony from Norman Mineta who was the Sec of Transportation. Here is what he testified to the Commission regarding flight 77:
during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth914/mineta.html
Fox News aired this testimony and just 12 hours later, Secretary Mineta abruptly resigned.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13501970/
Mineta's testimony is not damaging just to what the Pentagon claimed about air defense, but what Cheney claimed about when he arrived at the bunker:
"This testimony contradicts the findings in the 9/11 Commission Report because according to its revised version of events, Cheney did not enter the PEOC until 9:58. [2] Accounts by Richard Clark [3] , a White House photographer, and ABC News [4] all place Cheney in the PEOC long before the Pentagon was struck."
Finally, we are to believe a 757 was able to crash through 6 concrete and steel reinforced walls leaving a nice clean circle on the last one. Physics and common sense, along with other crash tests, show this to be almost impossible.
There are several more aspects to flight 77, such as the fact no Arabs were listed on that flight: http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
However, these are some that I find most troubling as a member of the American jury.
Some respond to information like this by saying, "Well, what did hit the Pentagon? You have to prove that!" Sirs and Madams, no I do not, all I have to do is show reasonable doubt what we were told is the truth. It is up to those who believe the Bush admin to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I have no doubt it was a flying object that hit the Pentagon, which brings us back to the OP title, the problem is that object has not been positively identified.
Let it be known and clear, I am no fan of the report button (and all mods have my permission to verify how little I actually use it), but on this thread, any ad homs, crude remarks, or attempts to kill it will be ignored and reported and I encourage all others who wish to have a serious dialogue to follow suit.
Thank you for reading.
Here are some overall facts about 9/11 but the strict focus here is on flight 77.
1. The Bush Admin. did everything possible to prevent any investigations into that day. (Normal rebuttle is to hide incompetence on their part, however, not a single government employee lost their job. So, if incompetence was the reason, it would have been at a level lower than the Oval Office, yet not a single person got fired.)
2. The only reason the 9/11 Commission happened is because surviving family members and loved ones did not accept the one day investigation and conviction the Bush administration offered the American public. This is the root of what many refer to as the "Truth Movement." It did not start with bored schizophrenic government hating people, but with those effected the deepest by that day.
3. It is a fact the 9/11 Commission was seriously hampered by the Bush administration during their investigation and that the Pentagon lied to the Commission regarding air defense response. The importance of the last part will be revealed shortly.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14191255/
4. Here are the conditions under which Bush and Cheney would meet with the Commission. (Keep in mind this is basically an extravagant murder investigation)
A. Neither would testify under oath. (Executive Privilege was cited so no big deal other than the fact only those who won't, or are unable to tell the Truth avoid taking Oaths to do so.)
B. They would only meet with the Commission together at the same exact time.
C. They demanded, and were able to review all of the Commission's findings up to that point, including the testimony of all others who were questioned.
As for that last one, how many find it suspicious two people who are not suspects, demand to review what the investigation has discovered up to that point?
Three-thousand Americans were murdered on 9/11 and the Bush Admin carried the heavy burden of defending the Constitution, which put them in the position of prosecution for explaining that day and punishing all those responsible. Here is their claim for flight 77:
8:20 AM: Flight 77 takes off from Dulles International Airport for Los Angeles then minutes after its scheduled departure.
8:33 AM: Flight 77 reached its cruising altitude of 31,000 feet.
8:50 AM: Last radio contact is made with Flight 77.
8:54 AM: Flight 77 begins to go off course toward the southwest.
8:56 AM: Flight 77's transponder is turned off.
8:56 - 9:24 AM : Flight 77 is reported missing and a search is initiated. The Pentagon increased its alert status. A flight attendant called her mother via cell phone and reported a hijacking.
9:03 - 9:37: Defense Official at Pentagon says: "We are next".
9:05 AM: Flight 77 reappears on radar, but Flight Controller doesn't notice.
9:10 AM: Washington control notices an incoming plane on radar with no radio contact and no transponder.
9:12 AM: Flight 77 attendant has confirmed hijacking with call to her mother.
9:24 AM: the FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 77 may be headed towards Washington. There was no attempt to evacuate the Pentagon.
9:25 AM: Barbara Olson reportedly made a phone call to her husband. There are varying accounts of this call but it is where the information about box cutters and knives allegedly came from.
9:30 AM: Flight 77 is tracked on radar 30 miles from Washington.
9:35 AM: Flight 77 is reported at 7000 feet flying more than 400 mph. As AA Flight 77 approached the Pentagon, the Arab pilot, Hani Hanjour, executed a 330-degree 7,000-foot descent over Washington while flying at 500 mph
The hijacker pilot advances the throttles to maximum power, dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.
9:37 AM: Flight 77 disappears from radar 6 miles from Washington.
9:38 AM: The Boeing 757 approaches the Pentagon on a horizontal trajectory so low that it clipped the power lines across the street, taking out light poles, then it slammed into the west side of the Pentagon into the newly remodeled Army financial management/audit area, the Army personnel offices, and the Naval Command Center. Casualties were heavy
With the exception of a few airplane parts, all 100 tons of the Boeing 757 were incinerated in the resulting fireball. Using DNA analysis, the US Government said it identified the remains of all but one victim aboard Flight 77.
That is there case. Here is a list of questions and this thread is by no means a full comprehension but after viewing the following it should be clear it is not necessary.
The alleged hijacker pilot Hani Hanjour:
This is a man who had never in his life flown a 757. According to flight instructors who knew him he wasn't even a capable Cessna pilot. In the second week of August 2001, Hanjour tried unsuccessfully to rent a Cessna:
"That plot was in high gear by the second week of August, when Hanjour arrived in the Washington area for what appears to have been his final preparation - this time, at Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md. Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour_history.html
He received a commercial pilot's license but where and how is a question the FAA has been unable to answer. The 9/11 Commission claims he received extensive flight training and was an accomplished pilot. Unfortunately, there is no corroborating evidence outside of the Commission and the FBI at best, has been able to only offer specualtion.
"However, besides the 9/11 Commission Report, no other evidence exists of Hanjour passing this certification flight. A search of the Lexis Nexus database indicates there are no mentions of Hanjour attending this school, or any witnesses recalling him there. This account is also in contradiction to numerous other reports, according to which Hanjour was a very poor pilot who could not fly at all. (see January-February 2001; Mid-August 2001)
Entity Tags: Hani Hanjour, Congressional Air Charters
Category Tags: Hani Hanjour
So, we the jury are asked to believe an inept Cessna pilot was able to perform ace pilot moves on a 757 dropping it more than a mile in 2.5 minutes, maintain control, navigate over tree tops, smack down light poles, and expertly navigate the huge plane at over 400 miles per hour into the first floor of the Pentagon.
The next problem: We do not have a single clear or even semi-clear image of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. Given all the surveillance the Pentagon has itself and the 80+ videos taken by the FBI, even six years after 9/11, the Bush admin cannot produce one single definitive image. Here is a link to what the Pentagon has released regarding video footage:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml
"Before the employees at the Pentagon gas station and the Sheraton National Hotel could even rewind their security camera film which was pointed right at the point of impact at the Pentagon, the FBI swooped down and confiscated all videos. They have them and they will not release them. Same as the videos taken by the FBI from the Virginia Department of Transportation which will also show exactly what flew into the Pentagon. The FBI has them and they won't release them. Why not?"
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd63.htm
A common counter to this is: "What about all the eyewitnesses?" What about them? How many could positively identify flight 77 moving at over 400 mph that descended almost straight down? How is it in one of the largest tourist capitals of the US not a single image has been produced? There are tons of eyewitnesses who claim they heard several explosions in the lower parts of the towers before they collapsed so one cannot accept Pentagon eyewitnesses while simultaneously dismissing Tower witnesses. Moreover, eyewitness testimony is only as reliable as supporting evidence will allow. In this case, we have zero.
Next we have a most unexpected and possibly most damaging testimony from Norman Mineta who was the Sec of Transportation. Here is what he testified to the Commission regarding flight 77:
during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth914/mineta.html
Fox News aired this testimony and just 12 hours later, Secretary Mineta abruptly resigned.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13501970/
Mineta's testimony is not damaging just to what the Pentagon claimed about air defense, but what Cheney claimed about when he arrived at the bunker:
"This testimony contradicts the findings in the 9/11 Commission Report because according to its revised version of events, Cheney did not enter the PEOC until 9:58. [2] Accounts by Richard Clark [3] , a White House photographer, and ABC News [4] all place Cheney in the PEOC long before the Pentagon was struck."
Finally, we are to believe a 757 was able to crash through 6 concrete and steel reinforced walls leaving a nice clean circle on the last one. Physics and common sense, along with other crash tests, show this to be almost impossible.
There are several more aspects to flight 77, such as the fact no Arabs were listed on that flight: http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
However, these are some that I find most troubling as a member of the American jury.
Some respond to information like this by saying, "Well, what did hit the Pentagon? You have to prove that!" Sirs and Madams, no I do not, all I have to do is show reasonable doubt what we were told is the truth. It is up to those who believe the Bush admin to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I have no doubt it was a flying object that hit the Pentagon, which brings us back to the OP title, the problem is that object has not been positively identified.
Let it be known and clear, I am no fan of the report button (and all mods have my permission to verify how little I actually use it), but on this thread, any ad homs, crude remarks, or attempts to kill it will be ignored and reported and I encourage all others who wish to have a serious dialogue to follow suit.
Thank you for reading.
