What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

squint · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
There you go again. I never claimed to be sinless. You know that.

Then what is your complaint? Is speaking truthfully not allowed when we have the same conclusion?

So, why do you say that about me? It does not throw me off balance like you're used to seeing in others. It took me a few posts in which I gave you a benefit of a doubt. But, now I have no doubt that your intentions are not honorable. Matter of fact, its evil that has been sprayed with room freshener.

Why would being honest about this subject, where you agree no less be what you claim?

Why do you insist on making up what is false about another as your means to gain the ascendency in the debate? You can't win that way. You can only suck the other into becoming a fellow loser. Loser recruiting losers.

You can certainly end the debate by claiming sinlessness.

Will say again, I accept that the conclusion of law is that I am a sinner. I also don't think the conclusion is any different for anyone else.

If you have a point beyond that you are welcome to it if you know what it might be.

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GenemZ · Dec 27, 2013

squint said:
Then what is your complaint? Is speaking truthfully not allowed when we have the same conclusion?

Boy... you sure know how to play dumb. That's ploy #2.

If I were God? I would punish you by making you appear before Judge Judy.

Her ratings would go way up for that show.

squint · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
Boy... you sure know how to play dumb. That's ploy #2.

If I were God? I would punish you by making you appear before Judge Judy.

Her ratings would go way up for that show.

The only odd thing genez is that you agree, but you don't and without any specific form of critique, only the accusations without specifics.

I am happy to take critique from any legitimate believer. That's part of why I post.

GenemZ · Dec 27, 2013

squint said:
You can certainly end the debate by claiming sinlessness.

That's not true... Those are the ones you seek to ambush.

Will say again, I accept that the conclusion of law is that I am a sinner. I also don't think the conclusion is any different for anyone else.

If you have a point beyond that you are welcome to it if you know what it might be.

s

Forum rules prohibit calling another a liar. Are you aware of that rule?

squint · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
That's not true... Those are the ones you seek to ambush.

Do you think it an ambush to say that the law proves us sinners?

Seriously?

I would dare say that the entire body of Protestants and Orthodox probably agree on this matter.

Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

squint said:
Do you think it an ambush to say that the law proves us sinners?

Seriously?

The law proves that where God isn't, wickedness rules.

Jesus spoke the entire law by saying, do unto others...

squint · Dec 27, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
The law proves that where God isn't, wickedness rules.

Jesus spoke the entire law by saying, do unto others...

No one becomes sinless by 'do unto others' either, though I totally agree that is the walk in the Spirit in His Way of spiritual fulfillment of the law.

s

Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

squint said:
No amount of lawkeeping is going to change that fact and make any keeper sinless.
s

Jesus is the law. Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven. For it is God alone that justifies.

Claiming to have the answer and continually admitting your a willful sinner, is called an error. All glory is for God alone, and for God alone to distribute.

Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

squint said:
No one becomes sinless by 'do unto others' either, though I totally agree that is the walk in the Spirit in His Way of spiritual fulfillment of the law.

s

Your missing the point. Jesus is the perfect law. Reject the perfect law, reject Jesus. Remember, deny thyself.

It isn't ever about self. It is only about God.

Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

All who say that it isn't possible to obtain perfection, are doubting God. All of Gods own understand that God is perfection.

GenemZ · Dec 27, 2013

squint said:
Do you think it an ambush to say that the law proves us sinners?

Seriously?

Ambush? Yes. To introduce them to your buddy (the devil), and tell them he joins them while they sin? No good! That's an ambush. Matter fact. Flat out weird.

Stop acting naive.. (I sure hope its only an act.)

Sin is of the devil. And, the fact that we are born sinners, is of Adam.

That does not mean the devil puts on bathing trunks and jumps into your pool of sin when you choose to sin. The Bible does not teach that. What you say has a sinister tone to it. Tell what you do to a naive, well intentioned, baby Christian, and you could be classified a terrorist. What you say can be construed as spiritual sadism if directed towards a young lamb of the Lord. Its weird.

Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
Sin is of the devil. And, the fact that we are born sinners, is of Adam.

The naive part is claiming to be a slave to sin. Chew many times.

GenemZ · Dec 27, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
The naive part is claiming to be a slave to sin. Chew many times.

Who are you addressing that to? Me? Who believes that is the case? We are no longer slaves to sin. But, that does not eliminate the possibility of ever sinning again. Prior to salvation we were slaves to sin. There was no choice involved.

Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
Who are you addressing that to? Me? Who believes that is the case? We are no longer slaves to sin. But, that does not eliminate the possibility of ever sinning again. Prior to salvation we were slaves to sin. There was no choice involved.

So Gods law is good? Good works are good?

Jesus is Gods law. The spoken word of God in the flesh.

GenemZ · Dec 27, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
So Gods law is good? Good works are good?

Jesus is Gods law. The spoken word of God in the flesh.

Decipher, please.. Jesus is God's law?

I thought its more like this...

John 1:17

For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

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Godisgood12 · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
Decipher, please.. Jesus is God's law?

I thought its more like this...

John 1:17

For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

.

Deciphering Pauls letter to say Jesus is against Moses, is against God. Luke 16.

One can serve sin or serve God. One cannot serve both.

GenemZ · Dec 27, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
Deciphering Pauls letter to say Jesus is against Moses, is against God. Luke 16.

One can serve sin or serve God. One cannot serve both.

Are you one of those who claims Paul is not of God?

VictorC · Dec 27, 2013

Elder 111 said:
VictorC
Romans 2:
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

If this is true, explain why God would treat the Jews and gentles differently in regards to the Ten Commandments?

Romans 2:15 is proof that there is no new covenant promise of writing the old covenant into anyone's heart, as it was working within the Gentiles who didn't even have the Law, and this was their condition prior to the Gospel's availability.

You disproved your earlier contention that it merely moved location. That is consistent with what the inspired author penned in the epistle to the Hebrews.

You have never supported your other contention regarding the sabbath:

Elder 111 said:
Sabbath should be a day of rest and worship as God requires not as SDA's say.

Seems a good time to ask for Biblical support showing when and where God ever asked/commanded the Gentiles in Barbados to keep the sabbath.
Asking this in the past never produced a response, so I acknowledge that asking it is a waste of time and effort. You expect Christians to abandon God's rest and revert to the sabbath, which amounts to asking us to turn away from Jesus Christ.

The Law itself specifies the sabbath was exclusive to the children of Israel (Exodus 31:13). Your claim is contrary to the Law. You speak from darkness.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

squint · Dec 27, 2013

genez said:
Ambush? Yes. To introduce them to your buddy (the devil), and tell them he joins them while they sin? No good! That's an ambush. Matter fact. Flat out weird.

It's only unfortunate when believers don't know the scriptures:

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; -

Spin it how you will from there genez

squint · Dec 27, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
Jesus is the law. Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven. For it is God alone that justifies.

Claiming to have the answer and continually admitting your a willful sinner, is called an error. All glory is for God alone, and for God alone to distribute.

Tweaking the term 'willful' next to sin isn't going to change the fact of being a sinner either. Nice try though.

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