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What happens when I say ****?

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It just occurred to me that this website has a language censor on it and examples of profanity will not be allowed, so it might be tough to identify which cuss words when we want to use them as examples. Look what happens when I use the word **** or the word ****. This might be an indicator of what is and is not socially accepted language but it can be confusing, too. For example, **** is a perfectly acceptable theological and biblical word but when used in a social medium is considered profanity. **** and **** are other examples.

If I use the KJV word ****, which was perfectly acceptable in 1611, in a church service I will be told that I cannot use that kind of language in church but what would happen if I read 2 Kings 18.27 KJV or Isaiah 36.12 KJV from the pulpit? Of course it would never happen (“so much for speaking as the Bible speaks!”) Could it ever happen? (In fact, I have a list more than a dozen scriptures I call “Sermons you will never hear at church” that cannot be read in a conservative church meeting because of modern legalistic taboos on language that are more culturally outlawed than scripturally forbidden.)

Our church is filled with new converts (for which I am eternally grateful). Some are alcohol and substance abusers in rehab (AA), some have never been to church in their adult life, and some are just social misfits. Occasionally, a spiritually taboo word will leak out. One guy leaving an especially meaningful church service, remarked, “Man, that service blessed my *** off!” When I heard that, I got a kick out of it, but when I told it to a straight-laced colleague from another church, he was shocked and found it offensive and felt that someone should have used the opportunity to sanitize the language of the new Christian and teach him some lessons in Christianese. “You would never hear a word like that in our church,” he proudly told me. I did not say it, but I thought that he might have found a clue as to why his church is shunned by unchurched people and why they have not had a known convert in years.

Sometimes I wonder if we are trying to be holier than God or, like the Pharisees in Matt. 23.1-5, setting the bar too high. Matt.23.1-5: “Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: ‘The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. Everything they do is done for men to see.”

I have often wondered how Jesus would react to people who use colorful language. What do you think?

What does the Bible say about profanity?

I would like to open a dialog to hear your views on this. More importantly, of course, I would like to know what scriptures you have to support your views. IOW, I am not interested in just your opinions, experiences, or personal beliefs only, although I welcome them with scripture?

What exactly is profanity? Is it a cultural or biblical taboo? Is it sinful to curse? If so, why?

Jim
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Okay, I'm going to take the easy way out on this one. In my opinion, profanity is any word used to put someone else down rather than build him/her up. Profanity in this sense does not always coincide with secular profanity but it can. I consider words like "stupid, idiot, etc." to be just as profane as b****h, etc. I use words like d*** and h*** a lot, but only in their Biblical contexts. And we all know that an a** is a donkey, and as such this term should never be applied to a human being. You can also consult these Scriptural passages: Matthew 5:22, James 3:9-12, Matthew 12:36-37, Proverbs 12:25, and I know there are many passages (too numerous to list) that deal with right speech, love for all, and not acting like non-Christians. Does this make sense?
 
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I think it has something to do with search engine trolls .....eliminates the nonsense from the site..Corse......thats not working....but I think that is another thread entirely or 10......:rolleyes: I don't think it totally has to do with "bad words";)
 
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Flynmonkie said:
I think it has something to do with search engine trolls .....eliminates the nonsense from the site..Corse......thats not working....but I think that is another thread entirely or 10......:rolleyes: I don't think it totally has to do with "bad words";)
My word processor grammercheck does the same thing. When I use the word "hell" it advises me to "Avoid use of this word." It thinks I'm cussin'. My word processor might have been influenced by a fundamentalist forum I looked at recently.
 
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Jim B said:
My word processor grammercheck does the same thing. When I use the word "hell" it advises me to "Avoid use of this word." It thinks I'm cussin'. My word processor might have been influenced by a fundamentalist forum I looked at recently.
Not to derail this thread...fundamentalist joke (raised in a fundamentalist household):D

I know that you, just like me at one time or another has said,
"Now, where in Heck did THAT come from.

Do you know where Heck is?
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It's where you go after you die, if you don't believe in Gosh.

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I still try not to cuss! for various reasons, I tell my children they sound uneducated, but not just that....context is the problem. How the world views that today. All falls in line with trying to be your best for God. And lead the best example. If we run around saying all kinds of blank-blank-blankity-blank...no one would take us very seriously. :rolleyes: ;)
 
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JimB, I have thoroughly enjoyed your "Christianese" thread! Good question about saying **** . There are two principles that come to mind, and I'm not going to quote chapter and verse, but both are in the apostle Paul's letters. One is not to knowingly offend other Christians - I know that the immediate question was about eating meat offered to idols, but the principle can be generalized to other actions as well. The other is to avoid all appearances of evil, which kind of ties in with the first. It's been my experience that people who know we're Christians really want to see us act differently from them. They're really wondering whether this stuff makes a difference. Not that we have to be stuffy and over-bearing, but just sensitive to the situations we're in.

Sorry if that was a more serious answer than you were looking for; just my 2 cents.
 
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I am not against being saying "bad words", I've done so myself actually. I do think that it isn't very classy, as it just shows your lack of being able to put what you feel into more intelligent wording. To me, there is no difference between saying **** and ****. Both words have the same meaning, both are used to express the same emotion, yet one isn't PC and the other is.

That doesn't make sense to me.

It goes on and on though, words that people look at as "cuss words" are simply replaced by other words, by Christians. I hear people say "go to heck" instead of "go to hell", but what is the difference? People simply replace the word for some reason, but it's all the same to me. If you honestly don't believe in saying "bad words", then you should refrain from ever expressing emotions like that in any way vocally.

While I do not look at these words as a sin, I DO think of one of them as a very damnable sin. I will not say it, I've never said it, but I'm sure you all know which one I am talking about. I am never for anyone saying that word in "real life".

It ills me that I can't use the word Bas**** here though. It's not that important, but I was trying to talk about a Biblical subject using scripture, and I posted that word and it came up as ******* and I looked like I was being a crazy guy just cussing, lol.
 
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It's worth considering the origins of profanity, I think.
Most of the words that we consider vulgar now are nothing but the common Old English words for sex, bathroom functions, etc. It's only because of the Norman invasion, and the lowered status of English words in comparison to French/Latinate words, that they came to be considered uncouth. That doesn't mean, of course, that we should speak without regard for what might offend others... but that offense is entirely arbitrary, as all language is.
 
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