What Happened After The Flood And At The Tower Of Babel?

[jamesbond007]

One has to keep in mind that God had just finished destroying the whole world of what he considered evil and sinful with Noah's Flood.

http://archeyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ziggurat-architecture-archeyes-4.jpg
Example of ziggurat

The story of the Tower and City of Babel is found in Genesis 11:1-9. The setting given for the account us on the plain of Shinar to the final line where the city is identified with Babel. It is clear that the events recorded took place in ancient southern Mesopotamia on the eastern bank of the Euphrates River.

Babel was founded by King Nimrod, according to Genesis 10:9-10.

Up until this point in the Bible, the whole world had one language, meaning one common speech for all people. Hebrew?

The people of the earth had become skilled in construction and decided to build a city with a tower that would reach to heaven. By building the tower, they wanted to make a name for themselves and also prevent the people from being scattered.

God came to see their city and the tower they were building. He perceived their intentions, and in his infinite wisdom, he knew this "stairway to heaven" would only lead the people away from God.

God observed what a powerful force their unity of purpose created. As a result, he confused their language, causing them to speak many different languages so they would not understand each other. By doing this, God thwarted their plans. He also scattered the people of the city all over the face of the earth.

Is there archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel?
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a021.html

The Tower of Babel - Bible Story Summary
Tower of Babel Story: The Perils of Unity, Pride, and Purpose

How does Satan come into this? We saw after the fall with Adam and Eve, Cain killed his brother Abel. Wouldn't this be a time when Satan would come into play once again?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Nimrod_(painting).jpg/220px-Nimrod_(painting).jpg

King Nimrod came into existence shortly after the Flood and that humans had not yet organized themselves into nations. Nimrod became "king in the land of Shinar (Assyria/Mesopotamia), was, according to the Book of Genesis and Books of Chronicles, the son of Cush, therefore the great-grandson of Noah. The Bible states that he was "a mighty hunter before the Lord [and] .... began to be mighty in the earth".[2] Extra-biblical traditions associating him with the Tower of Babel led to his reputation as a king who was rebellious against God. His gain in power and self-glorifying behavior fueled his desire for revenge against God for destroying his ancestors.

"Josephus wrote:

Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it were through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to reach. And that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers.

Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. When God saw that they acted so madly, he did not resolve to destroy them utterly, since they were not grown wiser by the destruction of the former sinners; but he caused a tumult among them, by producing in them diverse languages, and causing that, through the multitude of those languages, they should not be able to understand one another. The place wherein they built the tower is now called Babylon, because of the confusion of that language which they readily understood before; for the Hebrews mean by the word Babel, confusion ."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

I have my own theories of what happened at the Tower of Babel and how Satan came into play (he handed down something to King Nimrod), but would like to get other thoughts first.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Nimrod was a mighty man of renown, so plausibly one of the offspring of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:1-4.

if so then he had demonic heritage.

the whole known world spoke one lingua Franca, namely Sumerian

but Nimrod's massive civil engineering project deforested Mesopotamia for wood to fire the mud bricks. It ravaged the environment and his imperialism for gold and resources antagonized all his neighbors.

Sumerian culture collapsed, the language retreating to Priestly religious orders where it survived to the time of Christ. Mesopotamia was overrun by Hurrian's, Hittites, Akkadians, Amorites, Aramaeans and Elamites and others, who adopted many of the outward trappings of Sumerian society.

but no more was there a single language spoken around the region. clay tablets had to be escribed in many tongues

Nimrod wanted to conquer and dominate the whole of humanity. the language of the bible suggests some kind of comparison to Eden as well

 

[Sanoy]

Whatever we might think about it, they thought the ziggurats were gateways into the other 6 realms. They tended to have 7 platforms, 1 for earth, 3 for heaven, 3 for the underworld. In the myth of Nergal and Ereshkigal, Nergal descends to the underworld through a known ziggurat in Sippar called Simmiltu, the “Temple of the Stairway to Pure Heaven”. Jacobs Ladder (ziggurat) is the same kind of scene but from heaven to earth. Mountains, which the ziggurat emulates, and trees were considered and used as motifs for divine gateways. Babel it self means gate of god Bab*el. Here is the thing about Etemenanki, (The tower of Babel) it wasn't a religious structure.

“Anyone who has perused the whole of the material is struck by the remarkable fact that Etemenanki
[the fabulous ziggurat of Babylon] is nowhere mentioned in the description of the course of the [akitu]
festival though numerous other sacred localities in Babylon are referred to. Nor do we meet with any
reference to ceremonies performed here. Indeed, I believe I may add that beyond the constant reference
to the building of Etemenanki or "its head" in the inscriptions of the Neo-Babylonian kings, and the
frequent mention of it in hymns where it is referred to or invoked in conjunction with Esagila, Ekur and
other temples, we find nothing about Etemenanki or its religious uses in the entire Assyro-Babylonian
literature” (1926 The Babylonian Akitu Festival)

According to Harriet Crawford, who cites Herodotus, there was a room at the top where sat a women.

"It is usually assumed that the ziggurats supported a shrine, though the only evidence for this comes
from Herodotus, and physical evidence is nonexistent. It has also been suggested by a number of
scholars that this shrine was the scene of the sacred marriage, the central rite of the great new year
festival. Herodotus describes the furnishing of the shrine on top of the ziggurat at Babylon and says it
contained a great golden couch on which a woman spent the night alone. The god Marduk was also
said to come and sleep in his shrine.”

I'm going to leave those two puzzles pieces there on the table for people to put together.

 

[Erik Nelson]

if so, then the ziggurat was the ultimate penthouse suite for inviting Genesis 6:1-4 onto earth???

 

[dreadnought]

One has to keep in mind that God had just finished destroying the whole world of what he considered evil and sinful with Noah's Flood.

http://archeyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ziggurat-architecture-archeyes-4.jpg
Example of ziggurat

The story of the Tower and City of Babel is found in Genesis 11:1-9. The setting given for the account us on the plain of Shinar to the final line where the city is identified with Babel. It is clear that the events recorded took place in ancient southern Mesopotamia on the eastern bank of the Euphrates River.

Babel was founded by King Nimrod, according to Genesis 10:9-10.

Up until this point in the Bible, the whole world had one language, meaning one common speech for all people. Hebrew?

The people of the earth had become skilled in construction and decided to build a city with a tower that would reach to heaven. By building the tower, they wanted to make a name for themselves and also prevent the people from being scattered.

God came to see their city and the tower they were building. He perceived their intentions, and in his infinite wisdom, he knew this "stairway to heaven" would only lead the people away from God.

God observed what a powerful force their unity of purpose created. As a result, he confused their language, causing them to speak many different languages so they would not understand each other. By doing this, God thwarted their plans. He also scattered the people of the city all over the face of the earth.

Is there archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel?
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a021.html

The Tower of Babel - Bible Story Summary
Tower of Babel Story: The Perils of Unity, Pride, and Purpose

How does Satan come into this? We saw after the fall with Adam and Eve, Cain killed his brother Abel. Wouldn't this be a time when Satan would come into play once again?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Nimrod_(painting).jpg/220px-Nimrod_(painting).jpg

King Nimrod came into existence shortly after the Flood and that humans had not yet organized themselves into nations. Nimrod became "king in the land of Shinar (Assyria/Mesopotamia), was, according to the Book of Genesis and Books of Chronicles, the son of Cush, therefore the great-grandson of Noah. The Bible states that he was "a mighty hunter before the Lord [and] .... began to be mighty in the earth".[2] Extra-biblical traditions associating him with the Tower of Babel led to his reputation as a king who was rebellious against God. His gain in power and self-glorifying behavior fueled his desire for revenge against God for destroying his ancestors.

"Josephus wrote:

Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it were through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to reach. And that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers.

Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. When God saw that they acted so madly, he did not resolve to destroy them utterly, since they were not grown wiser by the destruction of the former sinners; but he caused a tumult among them, by producing in them diverse languages, and causing that, through the multitude of those languages, they should not be able to understand one another. The place wherein they built the tower is now called Babylon, because of the confusion of that language which they readily understood before; for the Hebrews mean by the word Babel, confusion ."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

I have my own theories of what happened at the Tower of Babel and how Satan came into play (he handed down something to King Nimrod), but would like to get other thoughts first.

The problem with the Tower of Babel, as I see it, is that mankind was united, but their goals were not aligned with the Lord's. That is why I sometimes argue that perhaps the Lord doesn't want a single, unified church on earth.

 

[1am3laine]

I talk about the Tower of Babel in the link below.
http://master-elaine.blogspot.com/2018/08/tower-of-babel.html

 

[joshua 1 9]

Up until this point in the Bible, the whole world had one language, meaning one common speech for all people. Hebrew?

The ancient Hebrew language itself is very powerful. So God would have had to take that language away from the people. By the time written languages began there were two languages in the world. Hebrew and the language we use today based on the Phonics. The older languages are based on symbols. The new languages after the tower were based on Phonics or the way a word sounded. In Hebrew each letter in a word actually has a meaning and tells a story.

 

[Sanoy]

I have wondered if what happened was accents, or whatever this natural tendency is to regionalize our language. There are places in America where two people can't understand each other due to English divergence. It also seems that most of the major languages are off shoots of a prior language. This confusion of tongues seems to still be in effect today.

 

[jamesbond007]

Nimrod was a mighty man of renown, so plausibly one of the offspring of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:1-4.

if so then he had demonic heritage.

the whole known world spoke one lingua Franca, namely Sumerian

but Nimrod's massive civil engineering project deforested Mesopotamia for wood to fire the mud bricks. It ravaged the environment and his imperialism for gold and resources antagonized all his neighbors.

Sumerian culture collapsed, the language retreating to Priestly religious orders where it survived to the time of Christ. Mesopotamia was overrun by Hurrian's, Hittites, Akkadians, Amorites, Aramaeans and Elamites and others, who adopted many of the outward trappings of Sumerian society.

but no more was there a single language spoken around the region. clay tablets had to be escribed in many tongues

Nimrod wanted to conquer and dominate the whole of humanity. the language of the bible suggests some kind of comparison to Eden as well

Yes, Nimrod was a "mighty man," a giant. He was a fierce hunter, but I had to stop short of calling him a Nephilim. There is no evidence in the writings of Josephus or in the Bible. Then, it would be easier to connect him to Satan. The tower he had built was to secure riches for himself, but cleverly alleviated the fear of another flood with his people. What set him apart besides his huge size was that he opposed God and he told his followers that building this tower was a way to procure their own happiness instead of something to honor God. Instead, God had killed their forefathers and it was time to protect themselves and live the luxurious life in the largest tower in the history of the world. Nimrod's reasoning is based on competition between God and humans.

And this is how it ties with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. They committed an act of defiance against the Lord. According to the 1st-century Jewish interpretation of Flavius Josephus "explains the construction of the tower as a hubristic act of defiance against God ordered by the arrogant tyrant Nimrod."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel

 

[jamesbond007]

Okay, here's what I got. It's based on what Dr. Henry Morris said. It's also based on an article written by atheists as to what Dr. Morris said.

Dr. Henry Morris, states, "One question remains. Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how did it originate in his mind? . . . A possible answer to this mystery could be that Satan, the father of lies, has not only deceived the whole world and the angelic hosts who followed him--he has even deceived himself! The only way he could really know about creation (just as the only way we can know about creation) was for God to tell him! . . . . He refused to believe and accept the Word of God concerning his own creation and place in God's economy . . . He therefore deceived himself into supposing that all things, including himself and including God, had been evolved by natural processes out of the primordial stuff of the universe. . . ." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974, pp 74-75)."

Basically, the Tower of Babel is where Satan came up with how life originated and this is the teaching that he handed down to King Nimrod.

Dr. Morris is correct in stating that we know about creation through the Bible or God's Word. Evolution came afterward as we see during the times of Paul, the Epicureans and Stoics. As well as in the times of Darwin where it became widely accepted due to racism.

http://www.huecotanks.com/debunk/devil.htm
The other interesting thing is Satan created evolution to go against creation, but Satan did not know or think it was a lie. When asked, Morris said no and that Satan assumed this is how creatures and other living things, including himself came into being through nature in the universe. It included God. If Satan knew it was a lie, then he would have had to know/admit creation was true.

 

[Erik Nelson]

https://phys.org/news/2019-01-climate-world-empire-collapse.html

Babel collapsed into the dust of a massive drought