What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[LittleLambofJesus]

I decided to start a new thread on this and I am hoping we can discuss this in a civil way so as not to get it closed down.
Also, a lot of new members have joined CF since then and it will also give them a chance to share their views. God bless

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870602/#post54128393

This is a list I comprised from the first 40 posts on the above closed thread. I will work on another 40 posts when time allows...........

I put up the "post link" for each one mentioned here. The duplicates that I could see I put in "RED"......Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43628489

Scholasticism
Filioque
Papal Supremacy
Immaculate Conception

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43630346

Inventions:
-Infallability of the Pope
-Papal supremacy
-Immaculate coneption
-purgatory
Errors:
-Vatican I and II(not the councells but their decisions....although II was worse than I)
-indulgencies
-crusades
-Vatican City.... (never should have been a "seperate state"but goes hand in hand with the Papal supreority)

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43629206

Hmmmmm, let me think on that one..................................................................................................

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43630926
um, I got one, well kind of, not an error by the Pope but some errors made by a Catholic King and Catholic Monk.
Luthernism and Anglicanism

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43632320
None

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43636094

I'm going to have to go with Mr. O'Briens answer.

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43636190
Change in Paschalion.

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43636780
Lack of fasting. [of which post # 36 clarifies what is meant]

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43636255

*snip*

Crusades.

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43646993

*snip*
......so you see LLoJ...the RCC or any "business" that is involved in day to day ops certainly can't allow ALL MEN to believe in Him...the only ones who are allowed to believe are those who ADHERE to their particular organizations DOCTRINE...because THAT is the FORCE they use to keep their CUSTOMERS...and if you don't buy into ANY "churches" system...they will DAMN YOU TO BURN ALIVE...

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43652400

assumption of mary

submission to the pope of Rome being absolutely neccessary for salvation

penance to atone for sins committed after baptism

auricular confession

sacerdotal sacramentalism

meritorious works for the attainment of salvation

the whole Roman system of justification

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43668261
Lateran IV

Unam Sanctum

Trent

Vatican I

Vatican II

the papacy

the Marian dogmas

the dogma of papal infallibility

auricular confession and penance

sacerdotal sacramentalism

purgatory

indugences

transubstantiation

and admit that the Roman religion was built upon the deceptions and frauds of forgeries invented during the dark ages



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[LittleLambofJesus]

http://www.christianforums.com/t6870.../#post43628489

Scholasticism
Filioque
Papal Supremacy
Immaculate Conception

From what I heard, the 2 bolded above appear to be the main source of contention between Eastern Orthodoxism and Western Catholicism

Filioque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Filioque (Ecclesiastical Latin: [filiˈɔkwe]), Latin for "and (from) the Son", is a phrase included in the form of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (commonly called the Nicene Creed) used in most Western Christian churches since at least the 8th century.
It was accepted by the popes only in 1014, and is rejected by the Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Churches.

Together with papal primacy, differences over this doctrine have been and remain the primary causes of schism between the Eastern Orthodox and Western churches.
The Filioque has been an ongoing source of conflict between the East and West, contributing, in part, to the East-West Schism of 1054 and proving to be an obstacle to attempts to reunify the two sides.




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[abysmul]

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[abysmul]

I think much can be related to this:

Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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I think much can be related to this:

Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture.
For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end.

Not sure how that is related to the topic of the thread.




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[Erose]

You know what would be nice for just once? To come to General Theology and not see a "How can we bash Catholics today?" thread. Now that would be Christian charity at its finest.

How about a "inventions arose in Baptist churches? or Anglican? or Lutheran? or pick your denomination. That would be such a novel concept here.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You know what would be nice for just once? To come to General Theology and not see a "How can we bash Catholics today?" thread. Now that would be Christian charity at its finest.

How about a "inventions arose in Baptist churches? or Anglican? or Lutheran? or pick your denomination. That would be such a novel concept here.

Perhaps RCs should just stick to the OBOB board if they can't defend their position w/o acting defensive on the GT board.




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[Erose]

Perhaps RCs should just stick to the OBOB board if they can't defend their position w/o acting defensive on the GT board.

Defend our position? I've been doing that for a while now LLOJ. That I don't have a problem with. I just thought that it would be a nice change of pace that's all. I guess since you want it, let the theological back and forth begin!!!

 

[Erose]

Hey I got one you don't have there: Sola Fide, that is a made up doctrine isn't it? Wait that isn't a Catholic doctrine is it? Oh, oh, what about Sola Scriptura, yeah that is a good one too isn't it? Oh, forgot, that isn't a Catholic one either is it? Here is one the Rapture, yeah! Whoops not Catholic either. No I got it! "Once saved always saved!" Shoot! not ours either. Man I'm going to have to work on finding that made-up Catholic Doctrine. I'm not having an easy time finding one.

 

[Defensor Christi]

Now this thread really takes the cake...smh.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Perhaps RCs should just stick to the OBOB board if they can't defend their position w/o acting defensive on the GT board.
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Defend our position? I've been doing that for a while now LLOJ. That I don't have a problem with.
I just thought that it would be a nice change of pace that's all. I guess since you want it, let the theological back and forth begin!!!

The Protestants and EOC have a lot of issues with the theology of Roman Catholicism and when they post the issues they have a problem with, then you can give a rebuttal from the RC side, ok? [FWIW, the OBOB doesn't have a debate sub-board as does the TAW board.]
Thks



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[Gregory Thompson]

The whole romanist hierarchy structure of the church .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey I got one you don't have there: Sola Fide, that is a made up doctrine isn't it? Wait that isn't a Catholic doctrine is it? Oh, oh, what about Sola Scriptura, yeah that is a good one too isn't it? Oh, forgot, that isn't a Catholic one either is it? Here is one the Rapture, yeah! Whoops not Catholic either. No I got it! "Once saved always saved!" Shoot! not ours either. Man I'm going to have to work on finding that made-up Catholic Doctrine. I'm not having an easy time finding one.

You could list those on this other thread


http://www.christianforums.com/t7291830-120/
Protestant errors and inventions (2)

These errors and inventions are not Biblcal and are not part of historic Christianity.

Total Depravity of Man
Enthroning the Bible in your Heart
Ask Jesus into Your Heart
The Rapture
Altar Call
Eternal Security
"Once Saved Always Saved"
Sola Fide - Salvation by "Faith Alone"
Sola Scriptura - "Bible Alone" ....

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[Second Phoenix]

I suppose that protestantism was the worst error and invention that came from Catholicism

 

[bbbbbbb]

I suppose that protestantism was the worst error and invention that came from Catholicism

At last! A Catholic who is willing to claim his Church as having given birth to its Reformed siblings.

 

[Second Phoenix]

At last! A Catholic who is willing to claim his Church as having given birth to its Reformed siblings.

Did I say I was Catholic? Catholicism didn't 'birth' protestantism. Protestantism came from Catholicism, in the same way that all other heresies came from Catholicism via changing of the faith.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Protestantism is catholicism jr .

Eastern Orthodox seems closer to the original teachings . but after the schism .. or as the scriptures call it "the rebellion" the original is not visible in an organized fashion . Pope is to the Kings era of israel's history like the reformation is to the dividing of the kingdom between Jeroboam and Rehoboam .. that too was about "work"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Second Phoenix

I suppose that protestantism was the worst error and invention that came from Catholicism
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At last! A Catholic who is willing to claim his Church as having given birth to its Reformed siblings.

Did I say I was Catholic? Catholicism didn't 'birth' protestantism.
Protestantism came from Catholicism, in the same way that all other heresies came from Catholicism via changing of the faith.

That is also the SDA view

http://www.christianforums.com/t4249495-4/
harlot of Babylon and her harlot daughters

Here is the thing...

True repentance means turning away from sin. Sin is the transgression of the law.

The Sunday church goers say the commandments don't matter. While they would not condone murder, theft, adultery...somehow the 4th of the 10 commandments is no longer binding.

The change from 7th day Sabbath to Sunday (1st day) as the day of worship has no scriptural authority. The Roman Catholic Church openly admits it. And many reformation pioneers admitted it. They (Catholic church) held it as the proof of that the church traditions are above the Bible. And RCC challenges the protestants who claim to be Sola Scritura to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy. See Rome's challenge:

ROME'S CHALLENGE - WHY DO PROTESTANTS KEEP SUNDAY?

How can the protestants claim to be saved by the grace of God yet blatantly ignore one of God's eternal commandments?

The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church of all protestant churches and rightfully so. The Council of Trent condemned the protestant reformation on the grounds of protestants contradicting themselves by choosing to keep sunday

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[Sasquatchit]

Col:2:14 is talking about the Old Covenant that the Jews had to follow, which was against them and contrary to them. When Jesus died on the cross, He took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross. This is why everyone should follow the New Covenant, and not the old.

Galations 3:7 "Therefore know that only those who r of faith r sons of Abraham."

Hebrews 7:18-19 "For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness. For the law made nothing perfect...."

Hebrews 8:13 "...a new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

 

[Albion]

You know what would be nice for just once? To come to General Theology and not see a "How can we bash Catholics today?" thread. Now that would be Christian charity at its finest.

Have you somehow missed the long-running thread on Protestant errors and inventions? Your fellows have been having a great time ridiculing and misrepresenting us over there. You're free to ask them to show the charity you're promoting here, of course.