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That’s an outrageous claim. How do you blame God for giving you the free will to choose either to obey or to disobey, to choose to either love Him or reject Him? Anyone with any intelligence at all understands that people are responsible for their own actions because they made the choice.That is a hug mistake because everyone knows that the source of free will was God, not Satan, not Eve, not Adam.
That idea is another form of "blame God"
This all seems completely from imagination and irrelevant.When Eve fell she instantly became the agent of Satan complete with her brand new sinful nature and strong ties to Adam's heart strings.
When Satan uses the serpent to tempt Eve - she has no strong ties to the snake, no conflict of interest where she identifies with the snake and would rather die than be separated from the snake.
Again completely imagination, where do you get any indication at all about why Adam ate the fruit?Adam as head of the human race had all those ties to Eve. His "go down with the ship" rather than "let her crash and burn - I hope God will make another Eve after this" -- is not exactly impossible even for us today - to understand how Eve as an agent of satan appealing to Adam was a much stronger game stacked against Adam, than a talking-snake's appeal to Eve.
Because we have free will and disobedience and sin is human nature. That’s why everyone eventually sins.how so??
The angels fell before Adam and Eve - they had no Satan -- all of them were sinless. The fact that one fell did not mean all of them had to fall.
You seem to be tangled in a contradiction. You say that man can act without external force, but then you say that God works in man's disposition. Which is it--no external force or Divine work in our lives?Oh, but indeed he can!
Free will (self power) is the ability to choose without external force or constraint.
And man chooses what he prefers.
That being the case, God can work in man's disposition, giving man to prefer God's will, which man then freely chooses.
As I've said elsewhere, God planned for only good children originally. They were all predetermined to live in His life. Those who begin to live by His spiritual life and then withdraw from obeying Him will be struck from the book of life.Then how were the names in the book of life written before creation according to His foreknowledge?
Nope that doesn’t work because Revelation 13:8 makes it clear that everyone’s name was not written in the book of life before creation.As I've said elsewhere, God planned for only good children originally. They were all predetermined to live in His life. Those who begin to live by His spiritual life and then withdraw from obeying Him will be struck from the book of life.
Most of God's characteristics in the Bible are determined in light of sin (justice, mercy, goodness, patience, etc), and therefore, this fortifies the idea that sin must exist for this same being to display who he is. What is goodness without evil? What is love without hate?Assumption #1: God knows all things past, present, and future; therefore, God knew that sin would exist even before the creation of Lucifer.
Assumption #2: God is love
Points to consider
Since God is love, what does the existence of sin teach us about God's nature and Godly love?
- God does not desire companion bots that love him instinctually.
- God does not desire a choiceless "love."
- God had reasons for proceeding with creation, even though He knew it would result in sin and suffering.
What is God's ultimate goal?
What does the cross inform us about free will?
Can God be just without being merciful?
What does all of this say about the nature of God's wrath? (When the thing happens that God foreknew would happen, does God get mad?)
Our disposition is internal, not external.You seem to be tangled in a contradiction. You say that man can act without external force, but then you say that
God works in man's disposition. Which is it--no external force or Divine work in our lives?
I would expect you to have further questions since I just introduced some ideas.Very good post! I enjoyed reading it very much. Gave me some insights I never thought of before.
Are you saying that "internal constraint" is not "constraint?"Our disposition is internal, not external.
God exerts no external force nor constraint, only internal persuasion, to which our wills freely respond without being forced.
I am saying free will is a matter of no external force or constraint,Are you saying that "internal constraint" is not "constraint?"
Okay, you don't care to resolve the inconsistency. That's fine with me. For the record, I believe God's internal constraint upon our lives *is* in fact an "external force."I am saying free will is a matter of no external force or constraint,
and one's disposition is internal, not external.
I think that's called a contradiction of terms.Okay, you don't care to resolve the inconsistency. That's fine with me. For the record, I believe
God's internal constraint upon our lives *is* in fact an "external force."
God knows that love is only possible to the extent that it's freely chosen. His desire that we use that freedom rightly, that we come to value love with it, is the only reason that He would also allow for the risk that evil might result from that freedom instead.Assumption #1: God knows all things past, present, and future; therefore, God knew that sin would exist even before the creation of Lucifer.
Assumption #2: God is love
Points to consider
Since God is love, what does the existence of sin teach us about God's nature and Godly love?
- God does not desire companion bots that love him instinctually.
- God does not desire a choiceless "love."
- God had reasons for proceeding with creation, even though He knew it would result in sin and suffering.
What is God's ultimate goal?
What does the cross inform us about free will?
Can God be just without being merciful?
What does all of this say about the nature of God's wrath? (When the thing happens that God foreknew would happen, does God get mad?)
I got it. You're trying to throw the accusation back on me, the accuser?I think that's called a contradiction of terms.
Nobody’s name is struck from the book. Now your just refusing to accept what I’ve proven by the scriptures. I just quoted two verses that specifically stated that everyone’s name was not written in the book of life.As I've said elsewhere, God planned for only good children originally. They were all predetermined to live in His life. Those who begin to live by His spiritual life and then withdraw from obeying Him will be struck from the book of life.
Read the definition again. . .it's not about "me," it's about my will--what is external to my will.I got it. You're trying to throw the accusation back on me, the accuser?
Again, my opinion is that God, who is "external" to me, coerces me internally. In that way, His spiritual influence moves me to make a decision.
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