What does scripture say regarding when life begins?

[OldLangSyne]

When it comes to the whole pro-choice, pro-life debate, my views on that are based first on what is established by scripture. I pretty much will believe what scripture has me believe and use that as deductive reasoning.

I may not have done enough research, but to my knowledge, this is what scripture says:

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

I don't know of any other passages in the bible that suggest anything other that one's breathing being the indicator of them being a living soul.

What I also know is that identical twins are formed in the womb after conception, so it would be impossible to imagine one living soul split into two living souls. Therefore, I must believe that life does not begin until one takes his first breath or at the very least until one leaves the womb and hits the air. I have no biblical reason to think otherwise. Politically, I'm mostly indifferent, though.

 

[addo]

Didn't God say He knew Jeremiah from his womb? This shows God considered Jeremiah a person and a living being from the womb of His mother, and not from His birth exactly.

And, in case you didn't know, the baby breathes trough the mother for (s)he also takes oxygen from the air ... but the difference is that from the air of the mother.

 

[onemorequestion]

When it comes to the whole pro-choice, pro-life debate, my views on that are based first on what is established by scripture. I pretty much will believe what scripture has me believe and use that as deductive reasoning.

I may not have done enough research, but to my knowledge, this is what scripture says:

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

I don't know of any other passages in the bible that suggest anything other that one's breathing being the indicator of them being a living soul.

What I also know is that identical twins are formed in the womb after conception, so it would be impossible to imagine one living soul split into two living souls. Therefore, I must believe that life does not begin until one takes his first breath or at the very least until one leaves the womb and hits the air. I have no biblical reason to think otherwise. Politically, I'm mostly indifferent, though.

If one identical twin were to commit a crime, does the other twin get locked up too if the one is found guilty?

What makes one fertilized ovum split into two seperate human beings?

 

[OldLangSyne]

I have no stake in the debate. Those are very good points you brought up.

But lets look at Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

God here at the beginning of the verse is referring to Jeremiah before he was even conceived in terms of knowing him, indicating that God foreknew of his coming. That he was sanctified before leaving the womb, is interesting, though, but it gives no conclusive evidence one way or another.

What this may suggest is that there is a date at which a life does become a living soul, while still in the womb. Is it a question of one breathing on their own? I cannot say from this evidence.

 

[OldLangSyne]

If one identical twin were to commit a crime, does the other twin get locked up too if the one is found guilty?

What makes one fertilized ovum split into two seperate human beings?

That's the science of it. It's a fact that identical twins begin as one ovum that at some point after conception splits in two.

 

[onemorequestion]

I have no stake in the debate. Those are very good points you brought up.

But lets look at Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

God here at the beginning of the verse is referring to Jeremiah before he was even conceived in terms of knowing him, indicating that God foreknew of his coming. That he was sanctified before leaving the womb, is interesting, though, but it gives no conclusive evidence one way or another.

What this may suggest is that there is a date at which a life does become a living soul, while still in the womb. Is it a question of one breathing on their own? I cannot say from this evidence.

What medical staff would perfom an elective "abortion" on premature "baby born," that is "surviving" (alive) out of the womb but is on a ventilator?

None as yet.

It would be considered ending the life of a person.

"Out of sight, out of mind," is the only logic that the pro-abortion position has to hang its logic on.

I repeat: "Out of sight, out of mind," is the only logic that the pro-abortion position has to hang its logic on.

 

[onemorequestion]

That's the science of it. It's a fact that identical twins begin as one ovum that at some point after conception splits in two.

But science and the law, consider them two distinct people. In the USA, they do not have the same Social Security number.

Please try an answer to my problem of arresting both twins for the crime of one????

 

[Phinehas2]

OldLangSyne
Its great to hear your faith in God's word.
Job 10 is a good start, it refers to Job being in the womb.
also
Job 31 "Did not he who made me in the womb make them"
Psalm 139 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb"
Isaiah 44:2 "This is what the LORD says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: "
Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah 20:17 "For he did not kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave, her womb enlarged forever.
Luke 1:44 "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.

So we see that God knows, forms and knits people in the womb, and does not kill them.

We also see all the references to babies in the womb and people when they were in the womb.

So there is no scripture to suggest anything about how humans have classified the developments of human beings life in the womb. The scriptural starting point is conception, which is the obvious logical starting point.

 

[Zaac]

When it comes to the whole pro-choice, pro-life debate, my views on that are based first on what is established by scripture. I pretty much will believe what scripture has me believe and use that as deductive reasoning.

I may not have done enough research, but to my knowledge, this is what scripture says:

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

I don't know of any other passages in the bible that suggest anything other that one's breathing being the indicator of them being a living soul.

What I also know is that identical twins are formed in the womb after conception, so it would be impossible to imagine one living soul split into two living souls. Therefore, I must believe that life does not begin until one takes his first breath or at the very least until one leaves the womb and hits the air. I have no biblical reason to think otherwise. Politically, I'm mostly indifferent, though.

Look around you. God has already answered this question. And it was not breathing. Things that are alive grow, age and die. The minute someone is conceived, life begins because that's when the growth begins.

If life only began after the first breath, would you be willing to kill what you say is not alive ten minutes...an hour...a day...a week before it comes out to take its first breath?

Look at nature. You plant a seed and it starts to grow. It's ALIVE.

 

[OldLangSyne]

OldLangSyne
Its great to hear your faith in God's word.
Job 10 is a good start, it refers to Job being in the womb.
also
Job 31 "Did not he who made me in the womb make them"
Psalm 139 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb"
Isaiah 44:2 "This is what the LORD says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: "
Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah 20:17 "For he did not kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave, her womb enlarged forever.
Luke 1:44 "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.

So we see that God knows, forms and knits people in the womb, and does not kill them.

We also see all the references to babies in the womb and people when they were in the womb.

So there is no scripture to suggest anything about how humans have classified the developments of human beings life in the womb. The scriptural starting point is conception, which is the obvious logical starting point.

That's very convincing. I'd like to see how you respond to this scriptural counter-argument that utilizes Genesis 2:7:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Is not there a difference between forming the life and then actually making it living? After all, first man was made from the the dust and then he was made a living soul. Could not all those verses be referring to technically lifeless bodies formed by God in the womb?

I also must say that the idea of a baby literally breathing on its own being the point of life is kind of ridiculous as per the ventilator example mentioned. Is it possible the scripture gives no conclusive evidence?

Also, with identical twins, I'm pretty sure that they're two persons legally and therefore if one committed a crime, the other would not be charged.

 

[onemorequestion]

That's very convincing. I'd like to see how you respond to this scriptural counter-argument that utilizes Genesis 2:7:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Is not there a difference between forming the life and then actually making it living? After all, first man was made from the the dust and then he was made a living soul. Could not all those verses be referring to technically lifeless bodies formed by God in the womb?

Adam was a unique creation of God. It appears from the Gemesis text, that there are other people on earth at the time God created Eden and then fenced it off for Adam. Adam is a son of God. We are sons of God by adoption. But, this view is just for we believers to debate. Why can't the pagans kill their unborn if they want to? Remember Molech worshippers?

I also must say that the idea of a baby literally breathing on its own being the point of life is kind of ridiculous as per the ventilator example mentioned. Is it possible the scripture gives no conclusive evidence?

EVERYONE knows it is a baby. THAT IS WHY the desire to snuff it out as early as possible. Like I said and repeated.

"Out of sight, out of mind," is the only logic that the pro-abortion position has to hang its logic on.

Also, with identical twins, I'm pretty sure that they're two persons legally and therefore if one committed a crime, the other would not be charged.

And the plot thickens.

 

[Zaac]

That's very convincing. I'd like to see how you respond to this scriptural counter-argument that utilizes Genesis 2:7:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Is not there a difference between forming the life and then actually making it living? After all, first man was made from the the dust and then he was made a living soul. Could not all those verses be referring to technically lifeless bodies formed by God in the womb?

I also must say that the idea of a baby literally breathing on its own being the point of life is kind of ridiculous as per the ventilator example mentioned. Is it possible the scripture gives no conclusive evidence?

Also, with identical twins, I'm pretty sure that they're two persons legally and therefore if one committed a crime, the other would not be charged.

Yall make things so difficult. Adam and Eve were created differently from every other man and woman. There had to be a first so that there would be a method of life reproducing.

Once an egg is fertilized and it starts to grow, it's alive.

 

[pgp_protector]

Yall make things so difficult. Adam and Eve were created differently from every other man and woman. There had to be a first so that there would be a method of life reproducing.

Once an egg is fertilized and it starts to grow, it's alive.

Are the Egg & Sperm Alive Before Fertilization ?

 

[OldLangSyne]

Adam was a unique creation of God. It appears from the Gemesis text, that there are other people on earth at the time God created Eden and then fenced it off for Adam. Adam is a son of God. We are sons of God by adoption. But, this view is just for we believers to debate. Why can't the pagans kill their unborn if they want to? Remember Molech worshippers?

Fascinating. What's the chapter and verse in Genesis, where it discusses this?

 

[Redneck12]

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Human life began when God breathed it into Adam. Eve was taken from Adam, who was already alive. Babies are formed from living egg and sperm cells.

It is obvious that life was only created once - and it came from God. Since then it has been passed down from generation to generation.

Even if you didnt believe in God but in evolution, the same fact holds true. There is no evidence of more than one beginning of life, and while scientists can manipulate life, they have never been able to create it from lifeless elements.

While it can be debated when a fetus becomes a viable human being, debating when life begins is futile.

 

[OldLangSyne]

While it can be debated when a fetus becomes a viable human being, debating when life begins is futile.

Unless one of us does a lot of holy spirit inspried intense bible research, I fear you may be right. There is nothing really too conclusive obviously.

 

[brinny]

What does scripture say regarding when life begins?

When it comes to the whole pro-choice, pro-life debate, my views on that are based first on what is established by scripture. I pretty much will believe what scripture has me believe and use that as deductive reasoning.

I may not have done enough research, but to my knowledge, this is what scripture says:

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

I don't know of any other passages in the bible that suggest anything other that one's breathing being the indicator of them being a living soul.

What I also know is that identical twins are formed in the womb after conception, so it would be impossible to imagine one living soul split into two living souls. Therefore, I must believe that life does not begin until one takes his first breath or at the very least until one leaves the womb and hits the air. I have no biblical reason to think otherwise. Politically, I'm mostly indifferent, though.

God says He knew us before the foundation of the world.

 

[OldLangSyne]

What does scripture say regarding when life begins?



God says He knew us before the foundation of the world.

Which could mean he foreknew our existence, meaning that if life began at birth, he probably would not have known as a life an aborted child. I can't prove the answer one way or another, but that does not prove that life begins at conception.

 

[obamazmama]

The beautiful poet who wrote Psalm 139 describes God creating a baby inside the womb. So it is a life, only inside a womb.

I mean, whats the difference between killing a Human Being inside a house and killing a Human Being inside the womb? Its both murder.

 

[brinny]

The beautiful poet who wrote Psalm 139 describes God creating a baby inside the womb. So it is a life, only inside a womb.

I mean, whats the difference between killing a Human Being inside a house and killing a Human Being inside the womb? Its both murder.

Indubitably, it is.