WHAT DOES PAUL. SAID OF Eph 1 : 4. !!

# 1 ACCORDING AS // KATH. , is an. ADVERB

#2 HE HATH CHOSEN. // EKLEGOMAI. ,,in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the MIDDLE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the. SIGULAR

# 3 US // HEMAS. is a PORSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN. , is an. ACCUSUSATIVE CASE , is a PLURAL

# 4 IN // EN , is a PROPOSTION

# 5 HIM // AUTOS , is a PRESONAL POSSESSEIVE. PRONOUN. , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6. BEFORE // PRO , is a PREPOSITION

# 7 THE FOUNDATION // KATABOLE , in. the GENITIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

# 8. OF THE WORLD // KOSMOS. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR'

# 9 THAT WE //. HEMAL. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSEISE. PRONOUN , is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 10. SHOULD BE // EINAI , in. the PERSENT TENSE

# 11. HOLY // HAGIOS. , in. the PRESENT TENSE

# 12 WITH OUT BLAME. //. AMOMOSin. in. the ACCUSAIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 13. BEFORE // KATENO , is a PREPOSTION

# 14. HIM ?? AUTOS is a PRESONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONON. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 15 IN // EN is a PREPOSITION

# 16 LOVE. // AGAPE. , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SiINGULAR

# A And the apostle Paul is telling us that believers are CHOSEN // ELECTED , before Christ made the WORLD. and no their GOSPEL

teaches this Good news , from ONLY. from. Romans , thru. Philemon. , PERIOD. !!

And no other teacher says what the apostle Paul has taught this GOOD NEWS .

#. A. Water Baptism. WILL NEVER SAVE YOU

# B. Saying that you are BORN AGAIN will never SAVE you

# C BORN of WATER and the SPIRIT , will never save you , as those BORN AGAIN , Eze 36. and 37 is speaking to ISRAEL V

# D. And saying that you believe that ATONMENT will save you , no

# E. Saying that being SUBMERGE. will not help

# F. And neither IMMMERSION EITHER

# G. An th OLD COVENANT OF NO U SE

# H The NEW COVENANT no Help

# I. Only to be saved by Rom 10:9 and 10. and being PLACED into the BODY of CHRIST will help

dan p

timf said:

God had determine before creation that mankind would need a means to be reclaimed from a sinful condition. He determined that this would be done through grace using the payment for sin that Christ would make. This establishes a category that those who are saved would occupy. Thus those in Christ could be called the elect.

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timf said:

God had determine before creation that mankind would need a means to be reclaimed from a sinful condition. He determined that this would be done through grace using the payment for sin that Christ would make. This establishes a category that those who are saved would occupy. Thus those in Christ could be called the elect.

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And I will. only say this CHOSEN BEFORE // PROTOS. the foundation of the WORLD

and there is another on. in. Romans 9:11. that are CHOSEN //. ELECTION. NOT //. OU , which. is a DISJUNCATIVE

PARTICLE NEGATIVE , not by WORKS , or. the LAW. , but from. the one CALLING . meaning. Christ. and some it speaks

to. Israel. , BUT I say from. GRACE .

AND I MISSED where it says NOT OF WORKS and the Greek. word NOT //. OU. is also a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE

NEGATIVE and means NEVERRRR. from WORKS !!

What say you ??

dan p

timf said:

Election and predestination are often taken by Calvinists to mean that every individual is selected by God to be saved.

I consider that what was predestined was not individuals but the opportunity to enter into a state where anyone who enters could be called elect.

This is made confusing because the word "elect" can also be applied to those of Israel whose whole nation was chosen.

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And the Greek word for PREDESTINATION. is. PROORIZO. !!

And the Greek word for CHOSEN. is EKLEGOMAI. !!

And in Luke 16:23 a Jew and his SOUL. is in. HELL. // HADES. , and BODY in. the GRAVE and his SOUL goes. BACK. to God

that gave ti , ECL 12:7. !!

And in. EZE in chapters 36 and 37 we see Israel raised from the DEAD and Israel and Judah will again be one NATION !!

dan p