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How are you ever going to receive persecution, if no one knows what you really believe?That I can agree with. What I cannot agree with is wearing your faith on your sleeve.
If you walk by faith and do what is right persecution will come. There is no need to bring it with a loud mouth and a holier than thou attitude. Religion teaches you to point the finger of accusations at others but faith is seen in your walk not your words. The only ones the the Lord Jesus ever reprimanded was the religious hypocrites who wore their religion on their sleeve.How are you ever going to receive persecution, if no one knows what you really believe?
Jesus wore His faith on His sleeve as an example for us!
How can they hear unless someone tells them?If you walk by faith and do what is right persecution will come. There is no need to bring it with a loud mouth and a holier than thou attitude. Religion teaches you to point the finger of accusations at others but faith is seen in your walk not your words. The only ones the the Lord Jesus ever reprimanded was the religious hypocrites who wore their religion on their sleeve.
Yet all were written by the inspiration of the Spirit for us today. That is why we take all four Gospels as true though they come from different sources. We compare them to find the whole truth
We don't take one verse David, and stand on it without taking into consideration other verses that are contextually attached. In this case, we are indeed saved by grace through faith but, faith without works is dead being alone. There is no faith without works, period! That doesn't mean we are saved by works... nothing but God's grace... His willingness to extend a hand of mercy when we don't deserve it... is what saves us. But the idea of faith without works is taking from Scripture.Hello Ken.
A person is saved by Grace through faith.
A person is not saved by faith and works, that undermines Grace.
The gift of faith should be a living faith, i.e., works should be evident.
The goal of the Christian instruction is love from a pure heart.
The fruit of the Holy Spirit is love and that is what generates these works.
I repeat, saved by Grace through faith.
To say, saved by faith and works, corrupts the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
you are not wrong my brother. We do know that John was there both at His trial and crucifixion. My point was that we must compare accounts to arrive at the whole. That is why I pointed out that Matthew'ss account had information the others did not.All I'm doing is comparing apples to apples.
And of course I agree fully with: "all were written by the inspiration of the Spirit for us today". No disagreement whatsoever.
I just do not see where any of the disciples were present, except maybe John (who I consider to be "the beloved disciple).
Does that mean that the Holy Spirit could not have "inspired" Matthew to include his narrative?
No sir.
Its for sure that Luke was not a disciple, but the Holy Spirit, and Peter where his primary sources. But yet Luke's gospel is included in the Synoptic Gospels.
Its also like saying that we should, by way of "inspiration" include the last nine verses of Mark 16.
All I'm saying is, we can deduce, by way of scripture, the "only" disciple that was present "for sure" at the cross, may very well have been John who nearly all accept as "the beloved disciple".
But if you say I'm wrong, I'll accept your rebuke.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Again, your best witness is not with your mouth but with your life of faith.How can they hear unless someone tells them?
Jesus reprimanded Peter.
Everyone undergoes discipline.
Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I also maintain that there is much more to it.
Am I wrong in saying that not only do you have to believe in Him, but you also must believe what the scripture says about Him?
It, least wise from my POV, does no good to say you believe in Jesus unless you also believe that He was/is the God-man, the Word made flesh, born of a virgin, lived sinless,died on a cross for yours and my sins, my perfect sacrifice, risen by the power of God, sit/stands now by the right hand of God, awaiting to return for His church.
I was told I was wrong.
What say ye?
God Bless
Till all are one.
We don't take one verse David, and stand on it without taking into consideration other verses that are contextually attached. In this case, we are indeed saved by grace through faith but, faith without works is dead being alone. There is no faith without works, period! That doesn't mean we are saved by works... nothing but God's grace... His willingness to extend a hand of mercy when we don't deserve it... is what saves us. But the idea of faith without works is taking from Scripture.
Even the demons believe that it is an historical fact that Jesus rose from the death, so just saying that we need to believe in Jesus is worthless without understanding what we should be believing about him and what that means for how we should therefore live our lives. For example, we can't believe that Jesus is Lord while refusing to submit to him as Lord. If we believe that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all Lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, then we should become zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law.
you are not wrong my brother. We do know that John was there both at His trial and crucifixion. My point was that we must compare accounts to arrive at the whole. That is why I pointed out that Matthew'ss account had information the others did not.
I am in no way rebuking you but simply adding to what you have already pointed out.
Faith comes by HEARING and Hearing by the Word of God. Faith without works is dead. So... we have to hear God and act on what we hear.
Even the thief heard and acted... his action was internal, in the heart, but he acted.
We don't take one verse David, and stand on it without taking into consideration other verses that are contextually attached. In this case, we are indeed saved by grace through faith but, faith without works is dead being alone. There is no faith without works, period! That doesn't mean we are saved by works... nothing but God's grace... His willingness to extend a hand of mercy when we don't deserve it... is what saves us. But the idea of faith without works is taking from Scripture.
you are not wrong my brother. We do know that John was there both at His trial and crucifixion. My point was that we must compare accounts to arrive at the whole. That is why I pointed out that Matthew'ss account had information the others did not.
I am in no way rebuking you but simply adding to what you have already pointed out.
Hello Ken.We don't take one verse David, and stand on it without taking into consideration other verses that are contextually attached. In this case, we are indeed saved by grace through faith but, faith without works is dead being alone. There is no faith without works, period! That doesn't mean we are saved by works... nothing but God's grace... His willingness to extend a hand of mercy when we don't deserve it... is what saves us. But the idea of faith without works is taking from Scripture.
With the gospel authors supposedly copying one another, why are the resurrection accounts all different from one another?This is a situation where we both are right.
Here is what we know.
"Gospel of Matthew
According to this gospel, the various witnesses included Roman soldiers, Jewish officials, passersby who mocked Jesus, and two men crucified at the same time. The only reference to followers of Jesus is found in Matthew 27:55-56, which says that many women were "watching from a distance", and specifically names "Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's sons." Unlike male followers, these women would probably have been allowed to watch without being arrested, provided that they didn't try to interfere.
Gospel of Mark
The account in this gospel is very similar to that in Matthew. In fact most biblical scholars believe that Matthew copied most of his account from Mark. In any case, Mark 15:40-41 also says that many women watched from a distance and specifically mentions "Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome."
Gospel of Luke
The author of this gospel also apparently copied most of his account of the crucifixion from Mark. The only mention of Jesus' followers is in Luke 23:49, which says that some of them watched from a distance, but doesn't give any names.
Gospel of John
The account in this gospel differs considerably from the other three. It says that several women and one disciple stood "near the cross", and that Jesus spoke to them from the cross. The women are identified as Jesus' mother Mary, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clophas (or Cleophas), and Mary Magdalene. The disciple is identified only as "the disciple whom Jesus loved".
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And this: "It says that several women and one disciple stood "near the cross", and that Jesus spoke to them from the cross." Is why I tend to give more credence to John's account than the others, not that there is anything wrong about them, but from the fact that John may well have been the only one of the Disciples to personally eye witness what happened at the cross.
God Bless
Till all are one.
With the gospel authors supposedly copying one another, why are the resurrection accounts all different from one another?
I prefer the minor differences in the gospel accounts, it lends more weight to the validity of the Gospel. We know for sure that they are not copies of just one single account.Yet, with subtle differences, they are harmonious. Harmonies of the Gospels are available and demonstrate this.
That one is hard for some to appreciate but once you catch on to that, it really does strengthen the points. God inspired them, He didn't mind control them. So, you have 4 humans... spirit led? of course! But 4 humans that basically are telling the same exact story, through their own eyes and using their own words and methods of writing. It is a far greater collection of witnesses than had they written the same exact thing as if controlled to do so.I prefer the minor differences in the gospel accounts, it lends more weight to the validity of the Gospel. We know for sure that they are not copies of just one single account.
Luke's gospel tells us that he used eyewitness accounts, what more does anyone want?
Yes Ken, once you see the point, four separate witnesses with slightly different accounts. What a beautiful and power packed message the gospel becomes.That one is hard for some to appreciate but once you catch on to that, it really does strengthen the points. God inspired them, He didn't mind control them. So, you have 4 humans... spirit led? of course! But 4 humans that basically are telling the same exact story, through their own eyes and using their own words and methods of writing. It is a far greater collection of witnesses than had they written the same exact thing as if controlled to do so.
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